Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong (Introduction)
by David Turell 
, Saturday, December 12, 2015, 00:51 (3269 days ago)
A great You Tube video lecture. About 38 minutes. Rids us of Dawkins' Selfish gene, and notes that Dawkins does not know the meaning of metaphor!-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMVfafAYTMg-He quotes extensively from Shapiro. The concept of 'gene' is greatly changed-An interview with Noble:-http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/how-the-concept-of-a-gene-has-changed/
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by romansh 
, Saturday, December 12, 2015, 01:01 (3269 days ago) @ David Turell
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 01:18 (3269 days ago) @ romansh
edited by David Turell, Saturday, December 12, 2015, 01:25
Romansh: https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/famous-physiologist-embarrasses-him... you read Shapiro's book? Have you watched Noble's video? I think you are unwilling to review new material and opinion. Coyne wasn't included in the Altenburg 16, was he?
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by romansh , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 05:23 (3268 days ago) @ David Turell
Have you read Shapiro's book? No > Have you watched Noble's video? Yes a couple of times on other fora. And so what? > I think you are unwilling to review new material and opinion. Comments like this make your thoughts increasingly immaterial David.-> Coyne wasn't included in the Altenburg 16, was he?-And should he be? >> The Altenberg 16 controversy was spurred by a science meeting at the Konrad Lorenz Institute in 2008 which proposed an extended evolutionary synthesis that was misrepresented by creationists and similar types to attack evolutionary biology. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Altenberg_16_controversy
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 05:33 (3268 days ago) @ romansh
David: I think you are unwilling to review new material and opinion. > Romansh:Comments like this make your thoughts increasingly immaterial David. > > > David: Coyne wasn't included in the Altenburg 16, was he? > > Romansh: And should he be?-> >> The Altenberg 16 controversy was spurred by a science meeting at the Konrad Lorenz Institute in 2008 which proposed an extended evolutionary synthesis that was misrepresented by creationists and similar types to attack evolutionary biology.-http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Altenberg_16_controversy-No creationists were present. There is an alternate view to your thinking. Are you afraid to review it?
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by romansh , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 05:40 (3268 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by romansh, Saturday, December 12, 2015, 05:54
No creationists were present. -Apparently that does not stop creationists from misrepresenting the meeting?-ps Jerry Coyne on Altenberg 16 https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/are-we-ready-for-an-extended-evolutionary-synthesis/
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 06:24 (3268 days ago) @ romansh
David: No creationists were present. > > Romansh: Apparently that does not stop creationists from misrepresenting the meeting? > > ps Jerry Coyne on Altenberg 16 > https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/are-we-ready-for-an-extended-evolut... gives his opinion. So? Lots of folks think it is needed.
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by romansh , Sunday, December 13, 2015, 19:17 (3267 days ago) @ David Turell
David: No creationists were present. > > > > Romansh: Apparently that does not stop creationists from misrepresenting the meeting? > > > > ps Jerry Coyne on Altenberg 16 > > https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/are-we-ready-for-an-extended-evolut... > Only gives his opinion. So? Lots of folks think it is needed. End of the day we are all giving our opinions. So?-But you did not answer Jerry's criticisms of Noble's position.
Denis Noble shows Neo-Darwinism is wrong
by David Turell , Sunday, December 13, 2015, 19:48 (3267 days ago) @ romansh
> Romansh: But you did not answer Jerry's criticisms of Noble's position.-Why bother. Minds smarter than mine conducted the Altenberg 16 because they see the huge gaps in Neo-Darwinism.