EVOLUTION AND PURPOSE (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 02, 2015, 21:25 (3277 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I have pointed out over and over again that my hypothesis is NOT a response to challenges, which would be adaptation, but the quest for improvement (the same as your drive to complexity) which leads organisms to find new ways of exploiting their (changed) environment.-OK. We agree. Now, do organisms arrive at this ability on their own through evolution. I believe it was implanted.
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> dhw; I asked if by “partial” you meant that “your God stuck the first limbs on the protowalker and then gave all subsequent organisms the freedom to develop their own versions”. You replied “Yes, that is my concept.... You replied: ”I've accepted the possibility of individual inventiveness to some degree, but not to the extent you are proposing.” This is a very evasive reply.-Not at all. I believe in pattern planning as I have described over and over. But not evasive, they may be allowed a degree of modification of the basic pattern.
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> dhw: And I must say in all honesty that it is both expected and accepted. We tend to goad each other, which is fun and sometimes illuminating. But we can stop beating about the evolutionary bush for a moment and face the brutal fact that while I can afford to be direct, because I have no faith at stake, you need such evasions.-To me, I am not evasive. In my mind the outline I see for theistic evolution to reach humans, it requires guidelines. I fully understand your position on the picket fence. -> dhw: Individual inventiveness means autonomous intelligence, the very thought of which is anathema to you.-No it doesn't. As long as the individual inventiveness follows certain guidelines and limits, I'm happy. You want total autonomy for the inventiveness because it fits your seat on the picket fence-> dhw: ... In response to my point that dead dinosaurs etc. did not fit in logically with your anthropocentrism, you have responded: “They are illogical to you, not to me. That is a major difference. You want everything neatly as you would have planned it. However, you are not God.” Quite right. I need hardly point out to you that you are not God either, and so each of us with our blinkers (you) or myopia (me) can go on groping through the darkness and goading each other!-Let the goading continue! I am not blinkered. I simply don't see things as you do. You are still insisting that evolution follow your logic.