The Universe as a Tragedy... (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by BBella , Saturday, August 01, 2009, 21:06 (5381 days ago) @ dhw

At the risk of repetition, since a lot of this is in the "brief guide" and also came into exchanges with Mark (a reverend), I would start with the fact that creations often reflect aspects of the creator. - Playing along....and sometimes, just as in birthing, creation could be aspects of (made up of) the creator, literally. - >One of the problems I have with the concept of heaven is what the hell (joke) are people going to do for the rest of time? - The concept of heaven and hell could be the deepest darkness and highest lightness man can go before being reassimilated back into the creator. - >Well, if God's stuck with himself for all time, he's got the same problem. So my best bet for motive would be boredom. - Boredom as we know is one more aspect of being...so, a smart God would have figured out how to be in more places than one at a time (being everywhere at all times) so bypassing being bored for too long. - 
> Having decided to create life, - First off, if there is a creator, there is already life (being), regardless what form the life is...and that life could have always been.
 
>he then messes around with different forms, experimenting (maybe on other planets too), until eventually he comes up with us. - Maybe this creator could also be a living being that evolves itself (so is the other planets at this time as well as us). Who is to say that a creator cannot grow in variety of shapes and sizes, having the ability to shapeshift yet also having a 'center' within all that IS that 'knows' it/himself. If one thing is possible then so is the other...again, just playing along with the what if's. - >It obviously took him quite a while to figure out how to do it, but then it's taking us quite a while to figure out how he did it, so it's tit for tat. From then on, we tit for tat all the way, which explains the whole mishmash of good and bad, love and hate, joy and pain. He's incorporated all these things into the system (which reflects his own make-up), and he gets a kick out of watching the interplay. - If all a creator did (putting myself in a creators place) was "watch" the whole show he creates...I imagine that would get very bored very quick. Nothing, I personally, if I had the ability, could create could give me enough entertainment long enough to keep me from being bored...and I'm just a human. But, if I had the ability to be everywhere at all times, I would probably want to experience all things...knowing it all comes out in the wash eventually. And not only that, I then would understand how certain things would have to happen to spur growth, not only in material evolution but in the conscious mind of man.
 
> He is, of course, incredibly, dazzlingly, mind-blowingly brilliant. Quite apart from his scientific genius, the overall plan is masterly. Because the fact is, we can't have the good, the love, the joy without the bad, the hate, the pain. You say, Matt, that "all the best art and music seems to come from pain." Many of humanity's greatest and noblest achievements have come as a response to suffering. Without the contrast, life would be dull not just for him but also for us. So he knows exactly what he's doing. - I agree that all the good would not even be known as good if there weren't something bad to compare it to. Like in the story of the garden of eden...boredom sets in fast when it comes to having it all. And this is another reason that I can see that if a creator God was so "mind-blowingly brilliant" he could also be the creation experiment itself as well as the creator of it. Therefore bypassing static boredom almost all together but in very tiny increments. 
 
> In answer to question 2), then, he's interested in us because we're his creations. - Or even better, because we are him. - >Christians often draw the comparison with parenthood. You can draw it with anything you create. You want to know what happens to it. And if it's something worth loving, you love it. - And, it also then makes sense that if you love your creation so much you could also want to be able to say to your creation I didnt just watch you experience I experienced it too so I know what you are going thru because I am you. We as good parents wouldn't want our children to go thru anything that we ourselves weren't willing to go thru with them if possible...for a creator God that is his creation this then would be possible. Here the creator could not only say, when it is all said and done (afterlife if you will), I was not only with you every step of the way, I am you. That seems, in a big picture kind of way, more acceptable (thru my eyes anyway) if there truly is a creator. - 
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