Contingent evolution (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, July 02, 2014, 15:34 (3797 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: Do not tell me information. They do that automatically now and from the first cell.
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> dhw: That is your assumption and should not be stated as if it were a fact.-Whatever method got to the first cell, at that point it is a fair assumption the complete cell acted upon information it received and used information it had in order to respond.
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> DAVID: And again I ask the question, tell me 'how' the something could know anything, unless it was an organized intellect.
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> dhw: It could not. That is why I am questioning whether the "something" that caused the "energies of the universe" knew what it was doing. In other words, when did consciousness come into being ... before or after the Big Bang?-Based on my assumptions that quantum mechanics requires consciousness, that the reality we live in has a base layer of 'quantumness' that 'creates' our reality, and the universe come from quantum fluctuations from eternal virtual particles (see my Davies essay from yesterday), then quantum consciousness cones first and is eternal. 
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> dhw: I'm having trouble with this. Do you mean "nothing" is not a probability? If so, I would agree, because like David I don't believe that something can come from nothing. Who are "they"? I don't understand what you mean by the "image" of the periodic table - how do "builders" resemble a systematically organized list? What is og? And how does the quote about the father link up with the question of whether the "energies of the universe" are the result of a deliberate action? I do apologize if my questions seem stupid to you, but I need a bit of help in following your train of thought! It would also be helpful if you would only quote the section of a post that you are responding to, rather than the whole post, as this might make the line of argument clearer. Sorry again if I seem pernickety.-GK, I have to agree. I know it seems you don't like writing, but it would help if you expanded your thoughts with a little more explanation. I've noted before, you obviously have much to contribute.