Or the \"Knot of Truths?\" (Endings)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Friday, June 19, 2009, 22:58 (5634 days ago) @ BBella

bbella,
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> > You need to spend some time investigating eastern philosophy, they have much more to say about the nature of 'nothing.' 
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> I have spent time investigating eastern philosphies; Taoism, Confucianism, Zen Buddhism, etc. The nothing they speak of is something (which then is nothing) as well as nonaction, etc, but just because any man (religion or science) expounds on the many aspects of nothing as if it is something dosent make it any more real (something).
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> > I do find it interesting you seem to state science studies "nothing?" 
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> Ok, I apologize for that too general of a statement...we all have benefited from science and I am thankful for that and wish for them to continue their pursuit of understanding of WHAT IS. 
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> > Mathematically speaking though, you do get to 0 bits.
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> Yes, mathmatically speaking my bank account can get to 0 too....but just because we've created a word for nothing does not make it something. - You're confusing the mathematical concepts of 0 and the empty set. "0" is not "nothing." Mathematically, the only concept that means "nothing" is the empty set. - 
Going to 0 bits doesn't mean "no bits." The expansion they're talking about is an infinite exponential progression where all mass was contained in an infinitely small point. All matter and energy were there... so instead of saying "no bits" they say "singularity." This distinguishes it from the concept of "nothing" and I doubt you'd hear too many physicists agree that the singularity qualified as "nothing." The singularity contained *everything,* and therefore cannot by definition be "nothing."