Big Bang Birthday: gravitational waves; language and logic (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, April 11, 2014, 16:12 (3879 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You say this answers the points George and I have made about the origin of the universe. I'm afraid it doesn't. ..... If the generator is the eternal energy you call a universal intelligence, it was NOT designed. But if God as energy doesn't break down, why should energy simply as energy break down? Stable does not have to mean intelligent. A stable but non-conscious first cause universe-generator is no less feasible than a stable conscious first cause universe-generator! -The complexity of the quantum particle zoo underlying the workings of this universe, and the rules by which they work strongly suggest (remember we can't prove anything at this level of thought) a complex pattern of planning, and therefore intelligence as a source.-> 
> dhw: As for the section you have bolded, obviously if universes were generated and were not eternal they had beginnings. But they were no more ex nihilo than our own, since every universe would have been preceded by the activity of the "universe-generator" (you and I have called it energy), which may or may not be intelligent.-They are not ex nihilo but started by an eternal source
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> dhw:The conclusion to this article is pretty staggering: "What all of this reveals, of course, is that it's intelligent design all the way through and all the way down, and that theophobic scientific materialists, once they get past knee-jerk denials, must come to terms with what is, for them, a worldview-defeating fact."
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> Fact?-Yes, overstated, but a very logical conclusion.