dhw\'s wife (Introduction)
by dhw, Friday, December 27, 2013, 12:24 (3984 days ago)
I had already drafted the two posts under "Origin of Language" and "Far Out Cosmology" yesterday, but didn't have time to put them on the website. My wife, who is already suffering from an incurable form of cancer, had a stroke yesterday morning. I shall be spending a great deal of time at the hospital, and so this may well be my last post for several days. I shall try to follow the arguments, but I hope you will all understand if I do not respond for a while.
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by BBella , Sunday, December 29, 2013, 20:02 (3982 days ago) @ dhw
I had already drafted the two posts under "Origin of Language" and "Far Out Cosmology" yesterday, but didn't have time to put them on the website. My wife, who is already suffering from an incurable form of cancer, had a stroke yesterday morning. I shall be spending a great deal of time at the hospital, and so this may well be my last post for several days. I shall try to follow the arguments, but I hope you will all understand if I do not respond for a while.-So very sorry to hear this news, dhw! You, your wife and family will be in my thoughts and hopes for comfort and the best outcome possible!
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by dhw, Wednesday, January 08, 2014, 23:27 (3972 days ago) @ dhw
My wife's first stroke left her semi-paralysed. She suffered a second stroke on 30 December, which left her unconscious, although not even the doctors could be sure that she was unable to hear us. A non-response does not necessarily mean non-perception. She never regained consciousness, and died last night. -I'm afraid these two weeks have been a shattering experience for me and my family, and we are now facing up to the aftermath. I hope you will understand that it may still be some time before I am able to rejoin these discussions.
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by David Turell , Thursday, January 09, 2014, 02:13 (3972 days ago) @ dhw
dhw: My wife's first stroke left her semi-paralysed. She suffered a second stroke on 30 December, which left her unconscious, although not even the doctors could be sure that she was unable to hear us. A non-response does not necessarily mean non-perception. She never regained consciousness, and died last night. > > I'm afraid these two weeks have been a shattering experience for me and my family, and we are now facing up to the aftermath. I hope you will understand that it may still be some time before I am able to rejoin these discussions.-Our thoughts and prayers are with you
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by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Thursday, January 09, 2014, 03:14 (3972 days ago) @ dhw
My wife's first stroke left her semi-paralysed. She suffered a second stroke on 30 December, which left her unconscious, although not even the doctors could be sure that she was unable to hear us. A non-response does not necessarily mean non-perception. She never regained consciousness, and died last night. > > I'm afraid these two weeks have been a shattering experience for me and my family, and we are now facing up to the aftermath. I hope you will understand that it may still be some time before I am able to rejoin these discussions.-Take your time, brother. You know how to reach me!
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
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by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Thursday, January 09, 2014, 15:31 (3971 days ago) @ dhw
I am so sorry for your loss, my friend. If there is anything we can do to help, don't hesitate to ask.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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by BBella , Saturday, January 11, 2014, 04:06 (3970 days ago) @ dhw
So very devastated to hear this and am heartbroken for you and your family, dhw. My heartfelt thoughts and prayers are with you all.- > My wife's first stroke left her semi-paralysed. She suffered a second stroke on 30 December, which left her unconscious, although not even the doctors could be sure that she was unable to hear us. A non-response does not necessarily mean non-perception. She never regained consciousness, and died last night. > > I'm afraid these two weeks have been a shattering experience for me and my family, and we are now facing up to the aftermath. I hope you will understand that it may still be some time before I am able to rejoin these discussions.
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by David Turell , Saturday, January 18, 2014, 11:55 (3962 days ago) @ BBella
The funeral was on Wednesday Jan 15th in Taunton, attended by many friends and even family from distant countries. Many of us met at dhw's house for fellowship and meals. The funeral itself was presented by dhw's children, each of whom described a portion of Lisbeth's life and her personality. She was a rather private person, but extremely active in her own interests, which included charitable work in her home country of Nigeria, travel throughout Europe, while also raising a family of three and actively pursuing a nursing career. My wife and I are so pleased we could make the trip.
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by dhw, Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 21:18 (3959 days ago) @ David Turell
Firstly, I'd like to thank all of you who sent messages of sympathy, even though you never knew my wife and only know me through our correspondence. I feel that a genuine bond has formed between our regular contributors, despite the many differences of opinion, and I really appreciate the concern you have shown.-In particular, I cannot find words adequate to express my gratitude to David and his wife Susan, who made the long journey from Texas to Taunton just to be with me and my family. We had never met personally, but from the moment they arrived, it was truly as if we had known one another all our lives. They were wonderful company, full of fun, full of wisdom, always there when needed but always ready to fade into the background when there were urgent matters for me to attend to. They got on superbly with my sons and daughter, as they did with the many family members and friends who came to Taunton for the funeral. The Turells will never understand the laws of cricket, but otherwise they were the perfect guests. My wife liked her Methodist hymns, but it had been her wish that the ceremony should be conducted by our children, all of whom are agnostics like myself. They told her life story between the hymns, and between them brought out all the warmth, practicality, stoicism, generosity, humour, vibrancy, breadth of knowledge, and sheer lovableness that made her such a special person. And our 5 ½ year old grandson added his own little piece on why he loved his grandma! Why am I telling you this? Because on that day the crematorium chapel was so filled with love that you could almost touch it. Afterwards, many people ... religious as well as non-religious ... spoke to me about it, and some have also written to me since. Whether you believe in God or not, and whether the universe is an intelligent being or a mindless swirl of energy and matter, seems to me irrelevant to what we all experienced that day. There is nothing more real than life, death, and the love we have for one another. For those who believe in an afterlife, there is the prospect of other realities and perhaps even other forms of love to come. However, despite the unsolved mysteries of NDEs and other psychic experiences, I can't find any such consoling faith within me. Some people claim to feel the presence of their lost loves, but I'm afraid I can only feel the absence of mine. That, though, confirms the reality of what I have lost, and in a strange way it enhances me. I think human love is an end in itself, and what grows from it is the basis of all that is good in us, regardless of religious and non-religious beliefs.
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by David Turell , Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 01:55 (3959 days ago) @ dhw
I must protest that dhw is much too kind. He and I have worked hand-in-glove on my new book, which he insisted I write, and for which he was both copy and style editor, and a tough editor at that. Lots of emails and then a few phone calls when Lisbeth got so sick. I stirred up my old medical brain and suggested some questions he might ask of the doctors and nurses. We discussed her condition and outlook, and naturally grew quite close as email friends and disembodied voices on the phone. Our private communications were hot and heavy as the end approached and happened. My Susan knew what was going on; we had a discussion of what it might mean to dhw and family if we could come for the funeral. The decision was obvious, to go.-His family is an absolute delight, two sons with wives and a daughter. All very bright and productive folks, with interesting careers. They handled the funeral beautifully, not as a religious service but as a tribute to their mother. And the topper was Keanu, a 5 1/2 year old who delivered his little tribute perfectly. He is like a little pixie with a mop of curly hair that must be seen to be believed. -And of course the battle of theist against agnostic continued unabated at odd times. Susan and I are delighted we went.
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by BBella , Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 20:27 (3958 days ago) @ David Turell
Thanks so much, David and dhw, for sharing these visuals and sensory expressions of Lisbeth's life, family and commemoration to help those who would have so loved to have known and conversed with such a loving and beautiful family and to have been there with you all to give support at this time. So very sad that it had to be for this occasion, but as we know and do express often here in this forum - the hard fact is, life is what it is - it's the "why's" we leave to personal interpretation. But it is our shared greatest challenge, every day and sometimes every moment, to continue to wrap our minds around our (and our families as well as friends) heartaches, joys, memories, etc in what can sometimes feel like a roller coaster ride of events; plumbing the depths and heights of experiences and emotions. But even so, I think we would all agree, Life is a ride we are glad we didn't miss and is surely worth it all. -Sending heartfelt appreciation for you both and your willingness to share a glimpse into this very personal experience, for which makes this forum even more valued in my own life. -bb
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by dhw, Friday, January 24, 2014, 08:26 (3957 days ago) @ BBella
BBella: Thanks so much, David and dhw, for sharing these visuals and sensory expressions of Lisbeth's life, family and commemoration to help those who would have so loved to have known and conversed with such a loving and beautiful family and to have been there with you all to give support at this time. So very sad that it had to be for this occasion, but as we know and do express often here in this forum - the hard fact is, life is what it is - it's the "why's" we leave to personal interpretation. But it is our shared greatest challenge, every day and sometimes every moment, to continue to wrap our minds around our (and our families as well as friends) heartaches, joys, memories, etc in what can sometimes feel like a roller coaster ride of events; plumbing the depths and heights of experiences and emotions. But even so, I think we would all agree, Life is a ride we are glad we didn't miss and is surely worth it all. Sending heartfelt appreciation for you both and your willingness to share a glimpse into this very personal experience, for which makes this forum even more valued in my own life.-Thank you, BBella for your gracious and, as usual, perceptive comments. My 48 years of happy married life with a truly remarkable lady make me one of the luckiest men I know. So I couldn't agree more: I'm glad to have lived and loved, and I accept that the extent of my present grief corresponds to the extent of my past good fortune. The continuation of our life and love in the persons of our children and our grandson is yet another cause for celebration that does not and will not cease with our own departure.-Meanwhile, I'm following the new posts (my thanks especially to David for continuing to keep us up to date with new discoveries in various fields), but am not at the moment in the right frame of mind to join in any discussion. That will take time. I just want to express my appreciation for BBella's post, and to reiterate my gratitude to David and Susan Turell for their wonderful support at such a difficult time. I will leave the debating to the rest of you for now.
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by George Jelliss , Crewe, Wednesday, January 22, 2014, 21:20 (3958 days ago) @ dhw
Sorry I've only just heard about your loss. It's probably too late for me to say anything meaningful, even if I could find suitable words.
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