Dawkins duplicity (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Thursday, July 11, 2013, 06:13 (4154 days ago)

When one has to cherry pick qoute out of context to defened your philosophic position, your position is very weak:-"Dawkins goes on to quote several founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Benjamin Franklin, who made statement against the religion of their time. John Adams is quoted as saying, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." However here is the complete quote in an April 19, 1817, letter to Thomas Jefferson:
 -"Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, 'This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion at all!!!' But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell." (Letter to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817.)
 
"In quoting John Adams out-of-context, Dawkins has made it seem that Adams said exactly opposite of what he really intended. No wonder he left out the part where Adams said the world would be "hell" "without religion." Adams directly refuted Dawkins' major premise of the book ... that religion is the great evil in the world ... and affirmed the opposite ... that religion keeps the world from becoming completely evil. In fact, John Adams said some things about Christianity that Dawkins probably won't be quoting any time soon such as, "The Christian religion, in its primitive purity and simplicity, I have entertained for more than sixty years. It is the religion of reason, equity, and love; it is the religion of the head and the heart." (Letter to F.A. Van Der Kemp, December 27, 1816.)-http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/the_god_delusion2.html

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by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 11:24 (4149 days ago) @ David Turell

This is not unexpected. Any student of religion has known that religion would come under harsh attack. Eventually, the major world religions will fall to a combination of attacks both political and social, and also due to their on iniquity. . It is only a matter of time.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 15:37 (4149 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Tony: This is not unexpected. Any student of religion has known that religion would come under harsh attack. Eventually, the major world religions will fall to a combination of attacks both political and social, and also due to their on iniquity. . It is only a matter of time.-Religions in the West like to claim that they are innerrent representations of the Truth. They are all man-made. I think they will survive if only out of the fear of death.

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by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 19:52 (4148 days ago) @ David Turell

I don't think they have ever come under attack in the way that they will soon. While they will certainly survive in some respects at the level of individuals, as institutions, I do not believe they will.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 16, 2013, 21:44 (4148 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

tony; I don't think they have ever come under attack in the way that they will soon. While they will certainly survive in some respects at the level of individuals, as institutions, I do not believe they will.-What are your reasons?

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by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 11:48 (4148 days ago) @ David Turell

Look at the current climate:-Religious fanatics from at least 4 major religions have been participating in terrorist style attacks. Unfortunately, the acts of the few slander the many.-Religions have turned on each other. (Granted, this is not the first time.)-Secular pressure from the academic community has already turned on major religions. -Political pressure has already turned on major religions world wide. -Legal pressure following the priest pedophile scandals has turned public opinion against religions. -Even without any kind of biblical prophecy, the writing is on the wall for anyone who cares to look for it.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

Dawkins duplicity

by David Turell @, Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 15:45 (4148 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained


> Tony: Religious fanatics from at least 4 major religions have been participating in terrorist style attacks. Unfortunately, the acts of the few slander the many.
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> Religions have turned on each other. (Granted, this is not the first time.)
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> Secular pressure from the academic community has already turned on major religions. 
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> Political pressure has already turned on major religions world wide. 
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> Legal pressure following the priest pedophile scandals has turned public opinion against religions. 
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> Even without any kind of biblical prophecy, the writing is on the wall for anyone who cares to look for it.-I live in an extremely fundamentalist Christian area of the world. For the local folk, the issues you list are having no effect. They don't follow current events as you do. And they accept spoon-fed religion without question. Our country is filled with pockets of these folks. Not so much in Europe. The Cahtolic church is scandal-ridden,but in South America it doesn't matter. They have a Pope! The Hasidic Jews are another example. Yours is a different vantage point.

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by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Wednesday, July 17, 2013, 22:52 (4147 days ago) @ David Turell

I definitely agree with the different vantage point, but that is at least in part due to my own beliefs. I do not think things will 'continue as they have since the days of our forefathers.' The current world system cannot sustain it's own weight. The symptoms are everywhere if you open your eyes enough to see beyond your bubble.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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by David Turell @, Thursday, July 18, 2013, 03:11 (4147 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Are you deeply into Revelations?

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by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Thursday, July 18, 2013, 12:34 (4147 days ago) @ David Turell

Not at the moment, but I am very familiar with it. Just for the record, the same topics are also covered in the OT in Isaiah and Daniel. However, I don't really need a biblical revelation to see what I am talking about. Anyone that thinks the world is sustainable in its current state is living in a fantasy world. There is too much internal pressure at the moment and something will have to give to relieve that pressure.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

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