The brain (Identity)

by dhw, Monday, March 11, 2013, 09:08 (4274 days ago)

Last week, our younger son came over from the States with our grandson (4 years, 9 months). Our house borders on playing fields, which little Keanu calls "the park". One day we went for a walk to a shop about 20 minutes away, in the opposite direction to the park, but we came back a different way, where he'd never been before. As we walked along a narrow winding lane, I asked him where he thought it would take us. His first answer was: "Home!" which put me in my place. Then I told him it would take us to somewhere before home, and he immediately said: "The park!" I asked him how he knew, and his response was: "My brain told me. My brain tells me everything."-I'm still pondering the implications.

The brain

by David Turell @, Monday, March 11, 2013, 14:30 (4274 days ago) @ dhw

Keanu:"My brain told me. My brain tells me everything."
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> dhw:I'm still pondering the implications.-Smart Grandpa, brilliant kid!

The brain

by dhw, Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 12:35 (4273 days ago) @ David Turell

Dhw: Last week, our younger son came over from the States with our grandson (4 years, 9 months). Our house borders on playing fields, which little Keanu calls "the park". One day we went for a walk to a shop about 20 minutes away, in the opposite direction to the park, but we came back a different way, where he'd never been before. As we walked along a narrow lane, I asked him where he thought it would take us. His first answer was: "Home!" which put me in my place. Then I told him it would take us to somewhere before home, and he immediately said: "The park!" I asked him how he knew, and his response was: "My brain told me. My brain tells me everything."
I am still pondering the implications.-DAVID: Smart Grandpa, brilliant kid!-Brilliant kid, but Grandpa's far from smart. I'm baffled. Words go through Keanu's ears into his brain, where the sounds are processed, and then the brain gives him the answer to my question, which he puts into words. So who does the brain tell? Is his brain not "him"? Are some cells in the brain telling other cells what to say and how to say it? Then what constitutes "him"? Is "he" in charge of his brain, or is his brain in charge of "him"? You will notice that I have put this thread under "Identity". I defy anyone to define the border between my grandson and his brain. But perhaps he knows something we don't know!

The brain

by BBella @, Monday, March 25, 2013, 05:40 (4260 days ago) @ dhw

I'm finally having some time to catch up with the discussions here. My elderly parents have had more and more of my attention of late as their time on this earth grows closer to it's sunset. But it's always nice to come here and find a discussion that takes me out of the here and now to a different here and now. -> Last week, our younger son came over from the States with our grandson (4 years, 9 months). Our house borders on playing fields, which little Keanu calls "the park". One day we went for a walk to a shop about 20 minutes away, in the opposite direction to the park, but we came back a different way, where he'd never been before. As we walked along a narrow winding lane, I asked him where he thought it would take us. His first answer was: "Home!" which put me in my place. Then I told him it would take us to somewhere before home, and he immediately said: "The park!" I asked him how he knew, and his response was: "My brain told me. My brain tells me everything."
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> I'm still pondering the implications.-My take on your grandson's brilliant answer is this: Before we are told or conditioned how and what to think, our minds can pick up information available to all in the energetic field of All That Is, but usually people do not ask children questions about how they think, or pay much attention to what children think. I believe your grandson may have no idea where the info comes from, but he does know that when you asked the question, the information was readily available for the picking so to speak. When we grow older, we fill our minds full of information told us, whether true or not, it is there, and usually, we believe it. We have no reason to distrust what we are told. But I've noticed, when I genuinely ask children their take on something, they will immediately have a brilliant answer that does many times take pondering to grasp just how their answer can be so. -When I was stuck in bed for 5 years, my little one (born the same year I was first attacked by the illness) fascinated me and taught me many things I could have never realized on my own and never would have if not stuck in bed with plenty of time to ask questions and listen.-Several brilliant things I learned from her was:-"All water is old." That from a just turned 4 year old in response to my telling her not to drink from my cup of water beside my bed since it was old and had been sitting there since over night. Did she "know" what she was saying? Very unlikely, but it sounded profound to me. She was probably just listening to what her brain told her in response to what I said. But then, sometime later...-"Mommy, people and dogs don't get old like water. They just get tired then have to go somewhere else to live where they don't feel so tired." That little speech she gave us was after our dog of 17 years died. We explained he was old like our aunt who had also recently passed.-"Dark is in-between all the light." This was a musing of hers during a day sitting with me on our deck watching the horses eat grass in the field. I thought she was speaking of shadows so I asked her to point to the dark that she was talking about, and she looked up to the sky and then raised her hands up and all around and said it's everywhere in-between everything and wondered why I couldn't see it. Dark Matter? Who knows. It's what her brain was telling her! - I'm still pondering as well....

The brain

by dhw, Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 14:12 (4259 days ago) @ BBella

BBELLA: When I was stuck in bed for 5 years, my little one (born the same year I was first attacked by the illness) fascinated me and taught me many things I could have never realized on my own and never would have if not stuck in bed with plenty of time to ask questions and listen. [...]-"Dark is in-between all the light." This was a musing of hers during a day sitting with me on our deck watching the horses eat grass in the field. I thought she was speaking of shadows so I asked her to point to the dark that she was talking about, and she looked up to the sky and then raised her hands up and all around and said it's everywhere in-between everything and wondered why I couldn't see it. Dark Matter? Who knows. It's what her brain was telling her! 
I'm still pondering as well....-Absolutely brilliant! If your little one had still been little, we could have got her and my grandson together, and they would have compiled a book of wise sayings (with you and me acting as their secretaries). -Your analysis of these intuitive insights may be right. The image I like to use is that of the city covering the earth beneath. The child is much closer to Nature than the adult, but gradually the man-made world takes over.

The brain

by BBella @, Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 21:56 (4259 days ago) @ dhw

"Dark is in-between all the light." This was a musing of hers during a day sitting with me on our deck watching the horses eat grass in the field. I thought she was speaking of shadows so I asked her to point to the dark that she was talking about, and she looked up to the sky and then raised her hands up and all around and said it's everywhere in-between everything and wondered why I couldn't see it. Dark Matter? Who knows. It's what her brain was telling her! 
> I'm still pondering as well....[/i]
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> Absolutely brilliant! If your little one had still been little, we could have got her and my grandson together, and they would have compiled a book of wise sayings (with you and me acting as their secretaries). 
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> Your analysis of these intuitive insights may be right. The image I like to use is that of the city covering the earth beneath. The child is much closer to Nature than the adult, but gradually the man-made world takes over.-I can appreciate the image of "the city covering the earth beneath". That's very fitting for how we cover up the intelligence of these little geniuses! I home-schooled all but my first child, and they all retained much of their independent thinking, which I am thankful for. They do not tend to fall so quickly for what is told them as most people do that are taken at an early age and taught how not to think for themselves. My last daughter chose to go school in her last year and is very scientific in all her thinking, and questions everything. She just won her category in her science project and will go to state with it. She chose to do a study on how weather affects mood sending out a questionnaire to the school at large, teachers and students. Then did an analysis. She still asks me the hard questions and then gives me far out theories that surpasses my own. She is a well rounded thinker in my book. Altho she is studying and apprenticing to be a large animal (farm) veterinarian I know she could easily be swept away by
her passion for science in any direction at this point. -Fortunately for me, I do still have my 3-1/2 year old brilliant grandson living with us since his birth. So far, he seems to be more of a sponge and less of a "muser" but there's still plenty of time. I call him our Mimicking Navigator. He's mimicked his grandpa from day one as if that is the mission he was sent here to do. And he can tell us how to get from here to there (places he has been of course; turn this way, now go that way). He seems to have a memory made for navigating, and did from an early age. He does have a knack for putting things matter-of-factually and will always tell the truth the way he sees it (not the way you see it or want to hear it). His notorious, honest quotes are already making rounds in the family. He is a very well balanced little man as I've ever seen, for his age. I'm sure he will surprise me soon with his insights. I'm just chomping at the bit to learn something new though his eyes. And when I do, I will probably be quoting them here. lol

The brain

by David Turell @, Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 23:13 (4259 days ago) @ BBella

bbella: Fortunately for me, I do still have my 3-1/2 year old brilliant grandson living with us since his birth. So far, he seems to be more of a sponge and less of a "muser" but there's still plenty of time. I call him our Mimicking Navigator. He's mimicked his grandpa from day one as if that is the mission he was sent here to do. And he can tell us how to get from here to there (places he has been of course; turn this way, now go that way). He seems to have a memory made for navigating, and did from an early age.-
Is he right or left handed? I'm curious from the description of his navigating.

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by BBella @, Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 17:52 (4258 days ago) @ David Turell

bbella: Fortunately for me, I do still have my 3-1/2 year old brilliant grandson living with us since his birth. So far, he seems to be more of a sponge and less of a "muser" but there's still plenty of time. I call him our Mimicking Navigator. He's mimicked his grandpa from day one as if that is the mission he was sent here to do. And he can tell us how to get from here to there (places he has been of course; turn this way, now go that way). He seems to have a memory made for navigating, and did from an early age.
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> Is he right or left handed? I'm curious from the description of his navigating.-David, so far, it seems he might be ambidextrous like I am. Sometimes he favors the left and sometimes the right (eating and writing). My husband is left handed, I'm predominantly right, but use both interchangeably, writing and eating with either.

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by David Turell @, Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 18:14 (4258 days ago) @ BBella

bbella: Fortunately for me, I do still have my 3-1/2 year old brilliant grandson living with us since his birth. So far, he seems to be more of a sponge and less of a "muser" but there's still plenty of time. I call him our Mimicking Navigator. He's mimicked his grandpa from day one as if that is the mission he was sent here to do. And he can tell us how to get from here to there (places he has been of course; turn this way, now go that way). He seems to have a memory made for navigating, and did from an early age.
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> > Is he right or left handed? I'm curious from the description of his navigating.
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> David, so far, it seems he might be ambidextrous like I am. Sometimes he favors the left and sometimes the right (eating and writing). My husband is left handed, I'm predominantly right, but use both interchangeably, writing and eating with either.-The only reason I asked is that left-handed folks generally have more three dimensional ability than right-handed folks, which is why it is thought great sculptors like Michaelangelo were left-handed. It was his navigational sense that piqued my interest. Handedness is not inherited in any manner known to science. I am very left-handed with almost no left-handedness in the entire family.

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by dhw, Thursday, March 28, 2013, 17:13 (4257 days ago) @ David Turell

BBELLA: Fortunately for me, I do still have my 3-1/2 year old brilliant grandson living with us since his birth. So far, he seems to be more of a sponge and less of a "muser" but there's still plenty of time. I call him our Mimicking Navigator. He's mimicked his grandpa from day one as if that is the mission he was sent here to do. And he can tell us how to get from here to there (places he has been of course; turn this way, now go that way). He seems to have a memory made for navigating, and did from an early age.-DAVID: Is he right or left handed? I'm curious from the description of his navigating.-BBELLA: David, so far, it seems he might be ambidextrous like I am. Sometimes he favors the left and sometimes the right (eating and writing). My husband is left handed, I'm predominantly right, but use both interchangeably, writing and eating with either.-DAVID: The only reason I asked is that left-handed folks generally have more three dimensional ability than right-handed folks, which is why it is thought great sculptors like Michaelangelo were left-handed. It was his navigational sense that piqued my interest. Handedness is not inherited in any manner known to science. I am very left-handed with almost no left-handedness in the entire family.-I've no idea what theory is being developed here, but I will add my details to the research pool:-RIGHT: writing, dining, batting, tennis, cutting
LEFT: throwing, kicking, snooker, computer mouse
AMBIDEXTROUS: table tennis, but able to do many of the above the other way, though less naturally.
NAVIGATION SKILLS: to quote my wife: "Couldn't find his way out of a paper bag."

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