7 Nobel anti-Darwin (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Monday, February 18, 2013, 23:10 (4297 days ago)

Cogent reasons for doubting Darwin theory:-http://www.angelfire.com/linux/vjtorley/zacktwo.html

7 Nobel anti-Darwin

by David Turell @, Monday, February 18, 2013, 23:21 (4297 days ago) @ David Turell

Cogent reasons for doubting Darwin theory:
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> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/vjtorley/zacktwo.html-World famous nano-machine chemist doubts macroevolution, and is upset about the idea suppression by Darwin scientists:-http://www.jmtour.com/personal-topics/the-scientist-and-his-%E2%80%9Ctheory%E2%80%9D-and-the-christian-creationist-and-his-%E2%80%9Cscience%E2%80%9D/-" From what I can see, microevolution is a fact; we see it all around us regarding small changes within a species, and biologists demonstrate this procedure in their labs on a daily basis. Hence, there is no argument regarding microevolution. The core of the debate for me, therefore, is the extrapolation of microevolution to macroevolution. Here is what some supporters of Darwinism have written regarding this point in respected journals, and it is apparent that they struggle with the same difficulty.
 •Stern, David L. "Perspective: Evolutionary Developmental Biology and the Problem of Variation," Evolution 2000, 54, 1079-1091. A contribution from the University of Cambridge. "One of the oldest problems in evolutionary biology remains largely unsolved; Historically, the neo-Darwinian synthesizers stressed the predominance of micromutations in evolution, whereas others noted the similarities between some dramatic mutations and evolutionary transitions to argue for macromutationism."
 •Simons, Andrew M. "The Continuity of Microevolution and Macroevolution," Journal of Evolutionary Biology 2002, 15, 688-701. A contribution from Carleton University.'A persistent debate in evolutionary biology is one over the continuity of microevolution and macroevolution — whether macroevolutionary trends are governed by the principles of microevolution.' "-"Some are disconcerted or even angered that I signed a statement back in 2001 along with over 700 other scientists: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged." Do not the texts written by the two authors above underscore what I signed, namely, "Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged"? And these "oldest problems in evolutionary biology" lead me and many others to our being "skeptical." It is not a matter of politics. I simply do not understand, chemically, how macroevolution could have happened. Hence, am I not free to join the ranks of the skeptical and to sign such a statement without reprisals from those that disagree with me? Furthermore, when I, a non-conformist, ask proponents for clarification, they get flustered in public and confessional in private wherein they sheepishly confess that they really don't understand either. Well, that is all I am saying: I do not understand. But I am saying it publicly as opposed to privately. Does anyone understand the chemical details behind macroevolution? If so, I would like to sit with that person and be taught, so I invite them to meet with me. Lunch will be my treat. Until then, I will maintain that no chemist understands, hence we are collectively bewildered. And I have not even addressed origin of first life issues. For me, that is even more scientifically mysterious than evolution. Darwin never addressed origin of life, and I can see why he did not; he was far too smart for that. Present day scientists that expose their thoughts on this become ever so timid when they talk with me privately. I simply can not understand the source of their confidence when addressing their positions publicly."

7 Nobel anti-Darwin

by dhw, Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 19:58 (4296 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Cogent reasons for doubting Darwin theory:-http://www.angelfire.com/linux/vjtorley/zacktwo.html-So some scientists believe in intelligent design and/or doubt Darwin's theory. Some scientists don't believe in intelligent design and/or don't doubt Darwin's theory. What does that tell us? Simply that scientists do not agree among themselves. Nor do philosophers. Nor does the world at large. A very good reason for keeping an open mind.-DAVID: World famous nano-machine chemist doubts macroevolution, and is upset about the idea suppression by Darwin scientists:-http://www.jmtour.com/personal-topics/the-scientist-and-his-%E2%80%9Ctheory%E2%80%9D-an...-QUOTE: "From what I can see, microevolution is a fact; we see it all around us regarding small changes within a species, and biologists demonstrate this procedure in their labs on a daily basis. Hence, there is no argument regarding microevolution. The core of the debate for me, therefore, is the extrapolation of microevolution to macroevolution."-Spot on. This is the distinction I keep making between adaptation and innovation. You and I, David, have agreed that innovation is the result not of random mutations but of the inventive intelligence of cells within existing organisms. You believe that intelligence was planted there by God, whereas I don't know where it came from.
 
QUOTE: "And I have not even addressed origin of first life issues. For me, that is even more scientifically mysterious than evolution. Darwin never addressed origin of life, and I can see why he did not; he was far too smart for that."-Spot on again. Some folk like to fudge the issue by pretending that evolution explains the whole of life, and they even label their beliefs 'Darwinism' or 'neo-Darwinism'. It's nice to see a "world-famous nano-machine chemist" who recognizes Darwin's smartness in distinguishing between evolution and the origin of life, and in avoiding the origin issue. I expect James Tour even knows that Darwin was an agnostic.

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