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Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :-http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html

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DAVID: Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :-http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html-Fascinating stuff. I am reminded of the following, written back in December 2011:-"Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [..] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings."-The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!

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DAVID: Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :
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> http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html&... 
> Fascinating stuff. I am reminded of the following, written back in December 2011:
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> "Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [..] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings."
> 
> The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!-The link I just posted will challenge this idea. Stanford researchers created the first ever complete simulation of an organism, and it turns out that the behavior of the sim is extremely close to what is observed. Bacterial automaton?

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DAVID: Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :
> > 
> > http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html&... > 
> > Fascinating stuff. I am reminded of the following, written back in December 2011:
> > 
> > "Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [..] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings."
> > 
> > The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!
> 
> The link I just posted will challenge this idea. Stanford researchers created the first ever complete simulation of an organism, and it turns out that the behavior of the sim is extremely close to what is observed. Bacterial automaton?-BUT. 
The info in the DNA is mind-like. True life comes only from life and is controlled by the info in DNA. I'm glad we are learning to copy nanomachines from nature, but the source of inspiration is still nature. I'm not impressed by your challenge, but I am impressed by the ability to simulate.

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DAVID: Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :
> > > 
> > > http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html&... > > 
> > > Fascinating stuff. I am reminded of the following, written back in December 2011:
> > > 
> > > "Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [..] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings."
> > > 
> > > The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!
> > 
> > The link I just posted will challenge this idea. Stanford researchers created the first ever complete simulation of an organism, and it turns out that the behavior of the sim is extremely close to what is observed. Bacterial automaton?
> 
> BUT. 
> The info in the DNA is mind-like. True life comes only from life and is controlled by the info in DNA. I'm glad we are learning to copy nanomachines from nature, but the source of inspiration is still nature. I'm not impressed by your challenge, but I am impressed by the ability to simulate.-You're missing the point: a mindless automata (a computer) is able to simulate (rather well) the behavior of a living organism, based solely on the basic rules that govern material chemistry. -THAT is a HUGE philosophical challenge.

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DAVID: Act like they have a mind of their own. Amazing article of how cells assemble themselves and move on a glass slide. It is automatic protein mechanics, or is it guided? :
> > > 
> > > http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cadherin-catenin-actin-exerts-cells-tissues.html&... > > 
> > > Fascinating stuff. I am reminded of the following, written back in December 2011:
> > > 
> > > "Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [..] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings."
> > > 
> > > The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!
> > 
> > The link I just posted will challenge this idea. Stanford researchers created the first ever complete simulation of an organism, and it turns out that the behavior of the sim is extremely close to what is observed. Bacterial automaton?
> 
> BUT. 
> The info in the DNA is mind-like. True life comes only from life and is controlled by the info in DNA. I'm glad we are learning to copy nanomachines from nature, but the source of inspiration is still nature. I'm not impressed by your challenge, but I am impressed by the ability to simulate.-And if I may... this admission by you is implicit acknowledgement that man can simulate a MIND.-If DNA is a mind-like... and we have simulated it... then we have simulated a mind...

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Dhw: Even if you don't believe in God, you have to acknowledge some innate form of intelligence that enables these cells to get together, to invent new mechanisms, and to keep the mechanisms functioning. [...] I'm not arguing that they make conscious decisions in the way humans do, but I am most definitely arguing that those vast assemblies of cells cannot have achieved their functioning complexities just by being swirled in the water or blown by the wind. There is method in their meetings.
The thread was called "The Intelligent Cell". We seem to be onto something!-MATT: The link I just posted will challenge this idea. Stanford researchers created the first ever complete simulation of an organism, and it turns out that the behavior of the sim is extremely close to what is observed. Bacterial automaton?-FROM THE LINK YOU POSTED: "In a breakthrough effort for computational biology, the world's first complete computer model of an organism has been completed, Stanford researchers reported last week in the journal Cell.
"A team led by Markus Covert, assistant professor of bioengineering, used data from more than 900 scientific papers to account for every molecular interaction that takes place in the life cycle of Mycoplasma genitalium, the world's smallest free-living bacterium."-So a team of intelligent scientists use data from more than 900 scientific papers, put together ... one assumes ... by other intelligent scientists, and they use a computer that has been built ... one assumes ... by intelligent scientists, and by feeding in all this intelligently selected data they prove...that there is no intelligence involved in the assembly of living cells and functioning organisms? Please explain why the simulation is a challenge to my statement at the beginning of this post.-And hey, just study the unbelievably, astonishingly, almost unfathomably complex processes that enable Matt and wife to produce a mini-Matt, and then tell me that the assembly of cells does not require some form of intelligence. Fingers still tightly crossed for all three of you!

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