I have talked with several fundamentalist believers and atheists.What I found common between them is that one is so much obsessed with his own perspective of God given by his religion or cult that if you simply ask how a person can go to Sinai far from Egypt just to hear the voice,they say he used to be a shepherd and took his goats.Now when you ask could an adopted son of the king work as a shepherd.They start using words like troller,blasphemous etc.
> On the other side if you ask an Atheist then they are Atheists because they are,no reasoning and when you trying to reason them that every process needs to have an initiator to start such as creation of this universe,us,animals,plants.They tell you are moron.So both are extremists on their own behalf.The boundary between them is skepticism or agnosticism.Atheist want to live in their delusion because they want every thing unchecked,everything which can lead a person to commit adultery,child abuse and so many others-There are no extremists here. Stick around. Join in

PHENOM: I have talked with several fundamentalist believers and atheists. What I found common between them is that one is so much obsessed with his own perspective of God given by his religion or cult that if you simply ask how a person can go to Sinai far from Egypt just to hear the voice,they say he used to be a shepherd and took his goats.Now when you ask could an adopted son of the king work as a shepherd.They start using words like troller,blasphemous etc.
On the other side if you ask an Atheist then they are Atheists because they are,no reasoning and when you trying to reason them that every process needs to have an initiator to start such as creation of this universe,us,animals,plants.They tell you are moron.So both are extremists on their own behalf.The boundary between them is skepticism or agnosticism.Atheist want to live in their delusion because they want every thing unchecked,everything which can lead a person to commit adultery,child abuse and so many others-I know of many believers and atheists who fit the pattern you describe, except that I'm uneasy at your associating the atheist disbelief in God and faith in chance with immorality. I would cite Richard Dawkins as a fundamentalist atheist because of his deep-seated (and often irrational) hatred of theism, but I would never dream of attributing his beliefs to such antisocial motives as you describe. In The God Delusion (as arrogant and dismissive a title as you could wish for), he approvingly quotes an atheist website which, among other things, offers the following guidelines for human conduct (p. 263 of my edition):-Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.
In all things strive to cause no harm.
Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.
Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.
Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.-Remember, the non-religious must also live within human society and abide by its rules and conventions, and atheists are just as capable as theists of loving their fellow beings. The above are humanist principles that would bind any society together ... religious or non-religious... and they are recommended by a fundamentalist atheist. (It's not often that I defend Dawkins!)-Welcome to the forum. As David Turell has pointed out, we rarely get any fundamentalists here, and when we do, they tend to leave very quickly. That does not mean we don't have profound disagreements, of course, but we generally try to keep our discussions rational and cool. Feel free to join in.

I was with you until you started associating atheism with immorality.-Fact:. In the United States, 15% of the population are atheist or agnostic.
Fact: 85% of the population are Theist. -Fact: In US prisons, 0.21% of the population are atheist/agnostic
Fact: 99.79% are Theist-Analysis: If belief in God were the meter stick of morality, then we should see atheists represented much more prevalently in the prisons than what reality shows us. This suggests (to me) that some other barometer of morality is the cause, because by your logic, we should all become atheists, or at least agnostic, because they clearly commit fewer crimes than everyone else.

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