Urban Heat Island (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Friday, June 29, 2012, 15:25 (4508 days ago)

We have had many climate discussions. The Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is enormous if not taken account of. Most of the observation stations in the US are placed in such a way as to magnify the heatng effect by being at airports for the cities. Here are the Texas results of population growth and heat trends.-http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/28/the-uhis-of-texas-are-upon-you/#more-66378

Urban Heat Island

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Friday, June 29, 2012, 18:20 (4508 days ago) @ David Turell

We have had many climate discussions. The Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is enormous if not taken account of. Most of the observation stations in the US are placed in such a way as to magnify the heatng effect by being at airports for the cities. Here are the Texas results of population growth and heat trends.
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> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/28/the-uhis-of-texas-are-upon-you/#more-66378-The Urban Heat Island idea was debunked in 2010.- http://www.desmogblog.com/urban-heat-island-myth-dead/-According to the paper referenced there, there was a bias, but counterintuitively, to those NOT located in "heat islands." They reported warmer temps than the ones in the cities.

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Urban Heat Island

by David Turell @, Friday, June 29, 2012, 21:17 (4508 days ago) @ xeno6696

We have had many climate discussions. The Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is enormous if not taken account of. Most of the observation stations in the US are placed in such a way as to magnify the heatng effect by being at airports for the cities. Here are the Texas results of population growth and heat trends.
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> > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/28/the-uhis-of-texas-are-upon-you/#more-66378&#1... 
> The Urban Heat Island idea was debunked in 2010.
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> http://www.desmogblog.com/urban-heat-island-myth-dead/
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> According to the paper referenced there, there was a bias, but counterintuitively, to those NOT located in "heat islands." They reported warmer temps than the ones in the cities.-The UHI involves reported rises in temp over a century of USA analysis using city monitors. Don't trust IPCC reports. Trophospheric temps are as reported, but much of the data in the US is those surface station reports, going back to the 1860's, and that is apples and oranges. The satellites have not shown global warming. That is part of the discussion from those folks who don't think the temperature change is much of a problem. At night where I live 60 miles out of Houston we are cooler than the city reports.

Urban Heat Island

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 00:45 (4507 days ago) @ David Turell

We have had many climate discussions. The Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is enormous if not taken account of. Most of the observation stations in the US are placed in such a way as to magnify the heatng effect by being at airports for the cities. Here are the Texas results of population growth and heat trends.
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> > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/28/the-uhis-of-texas-are-upon-you/#more-66378&#1... > 
> > The Urban Heat Island idea was debunked in 2010.
> > 
> > http://www.desmogblog.com/urban-heat-island-myth-dead/
> > 
> > According to the paper referenced there, there was a bias, but counterintuitively, to those NOT located in "heat islands." They reported warmer temps than the ones in the cities.
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> The UHI involves reported rises in temp over a century of USA analysis using city monitors. Don't trust IPCC reports. Trophospheric temps are as reported, but much of the data in the US is those surface station reports, going back to the 1860's, and that is apples and oranges. The satellites have not shown global warming. That is part of the discussion from those folks who don't think the temperature change is much of a problem. At night where I live 60 miles out of Houston we are cooler than the city reports.-If you read the paper reference in the link in question, it was not an IPCC study. It was from the NOAA.-Linked here.

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Urban Heat Island

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 02:42 (4507 days ago) @ xeno6696

We have had many climate discussions. The Urban Heat Island effect (UHI) is enormous if not taken account of. Most of the observation stations in the US are placed in such a way as to magnify the heatng effect by being at airports for the cities. Here are the Texas results of population growth and heat trends.
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> > > > http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/28/the-uhis-of-texas-are-upon-you/#more-66378&#1... > > 
> > > The Urban Heat Island idea was debunked in 2010.
> > > 
> > > http://www.desmogblog.com/urban-heat-island-myth-dead/
> > > 
> > > According to the paper referenced there, there was a bias, but counterintuitively, to those NOT located in "heat islands." They reported warmer temps than the ones in the cities.
> > 
> > The UHI involves reported rises in temp over a century of USA analysis using city monitors. Don't trust IPCC reports. Trophospheric temps are as reported, but much of the data in the US is those surface station reports, going back to the 1860's, and that is apples and oranges. The satellites have not shown global warming. That is part of the discussion from those folks who don't think the temperature change is much of a problem. At night where I live 60 miles out of Houston we are cooler than the city reports.
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> If you read the paper reference in the link in question, it was not an IPCC study. It was from the NOAA.
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> Linked here. -The Ipcc report was cited in the article. Also you miss the point of the Texas study which is obvious. Cities as they grow create heat islands which can skew data unless accounted for. That my only point. Read some of Fred Singer's stuff.

Urban Heat Island

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 03:05 (4507 days ago) @ David Turell

David, I get it and understand it, but the findings I linked from the NOAA haven't been refuted. Yes, cities create islands of heat, but if you read that NOAA paper THE ONES NOT IN CITIES reported higher temps.-I'm sorry for shouting, but you seemed to have skipped right on by that crucial point. -I personally find it more interesting that this discrepancy exists.

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Urban Heat Island: more nfo

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 30, 2012, 18:27 (4507 days ago) @ xeno6696

David, I get it and understand it, but the findings I linked from the NOAA haven't been refuted. Yes, cities create islands of heat, but if you read that NOAA paper THE ONES NOT IN CITIES reported higher temps.
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> I'm sorry for shouting, but you seemed to have skipped right on by that crucial point. 
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> I personally find it more interesting that this discrepancy exists.-Another good review of the problem:-http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/new-paper-finds-urban-heat-island.html-And another:-http://esciencenews.com/sources/physorg/2011/10/19/urban.heat.island.effect.a.small.part.global.warming.white.roofs.dont.reduce.it

Urban Heat Island: more info

by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 03, 2012, 16:12 (4504 days ago) @ David Turell

The growth of urban areas over the past century. Enormous:-
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/2012-igbp-article-cities-expand-by-area-equal-to-france-germany-and-spain-combined-in-less-than-20-years/

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