Meet David (The limitations of science)

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 02:57 (4362 days ago)

https://www.weylandindustries.com/david

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Meet David

by David Turell @, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 05:24 (4362 days ago) @ xeno6696

https://www.weylandindustries.com/david-I know you are very proud of what computers can do. I wish I were that pretty. But my brain is better than his, and I think always will be.

Meet David

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 13:13 (4362 days ago) @ David Turell

https://www.weylandindustries.com/david
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> I know you are very proud of what computers can do. I wish I were that pretty. But my brain is better than his, and I think always will be.-You... didn't think that was a real ad did you? It's a promo for a new movie, actually? (I knew it was good, especially with the "Powered by Verizon" at the end, but it was totally fake.-It's a prequel movie from the "Alien" franchise, which had a strong history of what we would call "evil" Androids. Watch it again in the context of the '79 movie, where the android tried to infect the crew... it takes an ironic and even a little bit of a note of horror.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Meet David

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 13:26 (4362 days ago) @ David Turell

www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/turing-test-revisited/-^^^^ Here's the "real" state of the state, including a summary of some of the abject failures of AI from the time of Turing to the present.-I forsee something like 'David' by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.-I'm not proud of AI yet. I'm just not a pessimist like you!

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Meet David

by David Turell @, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 15:48 (4362 days ago) @ xeno6696


> I forsee something like 'David' by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.
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> I'm not proud of AI yet. I'm just not a pessimist like you!-But you are pointing out the missing parts of AI, emotions and integrated thought that becomes very creative. Mechanical thought is not creative thought.

Meet David

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, April 19, 2012, 16:30 (4362 days ago) @ David Turell


> > I forsee something like 'David' by the time I die... but the biggest part of humans is emotional, and without real emotions I think that there will be a large hole in terms of creative thought.
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> > I'm not proud of AI yet. I'm just not a pessimist like you!
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> But you are pointing out the missing parts of AI, emotions and integrated thought that becomes very creative. Mechanical thought is not creative thought.-Creativity in regards to intelligence is the ability to look at something you've never seen before, and apply past knowledge and experience to that something. That CAN be done mechanically. Deep blue being a prime example. the difficulty right now is generalizing that process out of what I would call "domain area expertise." - A good first step in Deep Blue's case would be to ascertain that chess principles of controlling space can be applied to football and basketball, for just one contrived example.-This will get us into an area where machines can think and adapt using logical rules and heuristics. -Which is a really big chunk of what we humans do, cognitively. Such a machine could conceivably do MY job. -You need to remember that in AI we only program HOW the machine learns, the rest comes through a training period where the machine learns "dos" and "don'ts." It observes the environment and relies upon humans to say "right" or "wrong."-We're THAT far. Harder is getting it to apply what we taught it to completely new areas.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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