Is God a silverback? (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Monday, July 04, 2016, 15:01 (2846 days ago)

A fascinating essay by David Barash in which he compares the development of monotheistic religion to a harm keeping alpha male silverback:-https://aeon.co/essays/how-monotheists-modelled-god-on-a-harem-keeping-alpha-male?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=5ab9734f19-Daily_Newsletter_4_July_20167_4_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-5ab9734f19-68942561-"Evidence for human polygyny is not confined to physiological differences. Prior to the cultural homogenisation that came with Western colonialism and missionary coercion, more than 80 per cent of traditional human societies were preferentially polygynous. Moreover, genomic data tell the same story: there is considerably more variation when it comes to mitochondrial DNA, which is inherited only from mothers, than in Y chromosome DNA, bestowed upon subsequent generations exclusively by fathers. In other words, over the evolutionary history of Homo sapiens, a relatively small number of men produced children with a relatively large number of women. As a species, we have had a greater variety of mothers than of fathers.-***-"Each of the three major monotheistic traditions focuses on a male figure, one who strongly resembles an alpha male at the head of a social group. Sophisticated theologians typically emphasise that their deity lacks a physical body, somehow transcending physicality. More rarely, God might be conceived as non-gendered. Nonetheless, there is little doubt that the great majority of believers imagine a personal god who can be spoken to, who answers prayers, who has strong opinions and often discernible emotions, too: sad, angry, pleased, displeased, vengeful, jealous, forgiving, loving, and so forth.-"Not everyone buys into a sky-god with a long white beard, a serious and all-knowing mien, capable of rewarding good behaviour and punishing bad. But it doesn't take much imagination to recognise that God, as worshipped in most of the world, is remarkably humanoid, widely perceived as a great, big, scary, wilful, yet nourishing and protective guy… in short, a silverback gorilla writ large.-***-"Scary': it is dangerous to challenge the status of the alpha harem-master. After all, he got there by being not only omnipotent and omniscient, but also omni-destroying - or at least, highly threatening - when crossed. For the monotheist, fear of God is more than a prerequisite for belief in Him: the two are nearly identical.-"‘Wilful': God generally has very strong opinions, not least that He must be obeyed. A truly omnipotent being presumably could orchestrate things as He chooses, but instead - like an alpha male harem-master who is currently in charge but who has to constantly guard against intruders (against takeovers by other wannabe alphas - or in religious terms, competing gods) - he is jealous, vengeful of those who disobey, vigorously prohibiting any backsliding or counter-revolutionary support for competitors.-***-"There is much in the evolutionary psychology of Homo sapiens that renders our species susceptible to God as portrayed in the Abrahamic religions, that is, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. We are deeply sensitive to dominance hierarchies and especially to the need to respect the silverback male and His prerogatives. We are subject to sexual impulses that in our evolutionary past contributed to the success of our ancestors, but that also risked serious trouble if they were not deployed cautiously. Hence, we are endowed with urges that are powerful but that we also intuitively recognise as potentially dangerous to ourselves, especially if they evoke jealous anger from the powerful male. -***-"The big three Abrahamic religions most especially maintain that God strongly disapproves of various sexual practices, not just adultery. The Abrahamic God is likely to be incensed by pretty much any kind of sexual pleasure, including homosexuality, masturbation, oral or anal sex, revealing clothing, even libidinous thoughts. Sexual restraint is a terrific way to avert jealous anger on the part of any dominant harem-keeper."-Comment: It is worth reading all of this lurid approach to the 'invention of God'. It is quite opposite to Karen Armstrong's 'A History of God". As a former nun she is a believer, but as she was frightened by the implied threats in Catholicism, her view of God is much softer and observes that the best way to view God is through His works, with the Quran viewed as the most mature. I follow her and start with viewing God as the mind that planned everything. Nothing more.

Is God a silverback?: Mind of God

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 02, 2017, 00:50 (2574 days ago) @ David Turell

A scientist's approach as to why humans have Gods:

https://aeon.co/essays/why-god-knows-more-about-misbehaviour-than-anything-else?utm_sou...

"The anthropologist Pascal Boyer of Washington University in St Louis has observed that people primarily fixate on what gods know and care about. Those following the Abrahamic traditions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – focus on God’s mind. They rationalise their behaviour whenever they claim that God wants them to do something. They invoke God to influence others, as in: ‘God sees through your cheap tricks.’ From Moses on Sinai to ecstatic, modern-day Evangelicals, many claim to have gone directly to The Man Himself for a chat, even reporting their conversations in bestselling books.

"Ask a random stranger what God knows, and chances are he’ll say: ‘Everything.’ But ask what God cares about, and he’ll say murder, theft and deceit; generosity, kindness and love. Amid God’s infinite knowledge, His concerns are quite narrow: He knows everything but cares only about the moral stuff. Where do these beliefs come from, and what impacts do they have on our lives?

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"There appears to be a rule, then, deep in our mental programming that tells us: minds without bodies know more than those with bodies.

"This early, intuitive rule is much easier to follow than the tricky effort of wrapping our own limited minds around omniscient, unlimited ones. Indeed, theologians and philosophers continue to argue over the implications of omniscience. It might be intuitive for us to assume that gods know more than humans, but to consciously and consistently think that gods know everything isn’t quite as easy.

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"What these studies suggest is that we intuitively attach moral information to disembodied minds.

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"Globally, belief in moralistic gods appears to be more common in complex societies. The evolutionary ecologist Carlos Botero at the North Carolina State University and colleagues found that ‘moralistic’ gods crop up in societies facing similar ecological stresses. That group and another from the University of Oxford found that social complexity in general meant that belief in a moralistic god was likely to be high. It pays to have an all-knowing, morally concerned Big Brother God in places with greater anonymity and less accountability.

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"Gods appear to care about the things that, on average, curb locally specific risks and costly engagements. Religious systems predictably conform to local problems, and the gods steer our attention toward ways that address those problems. More poignantly, appeals to gods’ minds steer other people’s attention toward ways of minimising the effects of those problems.

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"The gods appear to be the workings of an organism trying to influence other people also negotiating the costs and benefits of being alive at a specific place and time. They are important forces in human mobilisation and organisation.

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"Viewing gods as kinds of organisational strategies helps to explain the relatively benign aspects of the traditions I’ve focused on in this essay, but it also helps us explain the ludicrous racist, sexist, homophobic and war-mongering appeals that get shrouded in religious rhetoric: find a vulnerable or outsider group, demonise them by declaring that the gods hate them, cite authoritative sources, appeal to vague and mysterious concepts (immortality, freedom, martyrdom, jihad) and the bonds between your constituents will strengthen.

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"Gods stick around in part because they engage deep-seated and intuitive psychological systems that subtly alter our thoughts and behaviours. And our fascination with gods’ minds also stems from their contributions to our survival. When social and ecological threats to survival change, the gods often do too.

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"Considering how effective gods are, can we do away with them? In one sense, the answer is quite clear: of course we can do without them. We always have. Our challenge in the days ahead is to create a more sustainable and equitable world where more have the luxury of not only admitting that, but also – and more importantly – coming to terms with how to go about living together responsibly and harmoniously with that admission."

Comment: An atheistic professor tells us we don't need God, who is a tool of societies. Whew!

Is God a silverback?: Mind of God

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Sunday, April 02, 2017, 07:53 (2574 days ago) @ David Turell

This guy lost me early on. As a Bible believing Christian, I found many of his statements laughable. For example, stating that God only cared about a limited range of moralistic ideals. In Genesis, God concerns himself the detailed creation of the universe. Other accounts mention him knowing the stars by name. Still others show his concern over the smallest of his creatures. However, we are like God, having been created in his image, and thus it is not surprising that he would be as concerned with abstract moral concepts such as love, justice, and the like. A simple reading of the laws given to the Israelites would show his careful attention to a number of more practical concerns like the spread of disease, caring for nature, even ethical business and land husbandry. The author that rote this is as ignorant as he claims we backward religious types are.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

Is God a silverback?: Mind of God

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 02, 2017, 14:50 (2574 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Tony: This guy lost me early on. As a Bible believing Christian, I found many of his statements laughable. For example, stating that God only cared about a limited range of moralistic ideals. In Genesis, God concerns himself the detailed creation of the universe. Other accounts mention him knowing the stars by name. Still others show his concern over the smallest of his creatures. However, we are like God, having been created in his image, and thus it is not surprising that he would be as concerned with abstract moral concepts such as love, justice, and the like. A simple reading of the laws given to the Israelites would show his careful attention to a number of more practical concerns like the spread of disease, caring for nature, even ethical business and land husbandry. The author that rote this is as ignorant as he claims we backward religious types are.

Your opinion does not surprise me. He came across as saying religions are a utility of societies!

Is God a silverback?: Mind of God

by dhw, Sunday, April 02, 2017, 13:54 (2574 days ago) @ David Turell

QUOTE: "Considering how effective gods are, can we do away with them? In one sense, the answer is quite clear: of course we can do without them. We always have. Our challenge in the days ahead is to create a more sustainable and equitable world where more have the luxury of not only admitting that, but also – and more importantly – coming to terms with how to go about living together responsibly and harmoniously with that admission."

DAVID's comment: An atheistic professor tells us we don't need God, who is a tool of societies. Whew!

If your God remains hidden and has no human characteristics, we might just as well “do away” with him.

In any case, there are now so many different versions of God/the gods, and so many different interpretations of what God/the gods want from us, that I’m afraid I agree with the professor’s conclusion above. But I would add very emphatically that if belief in God helps people to live together “responsibly and harmoniously” then I’m all for it, and retain my total respect for such believers and their beliefs.

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Is God a silverback?: Mind of God

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 02, 2017, 14:52 (2574 days ago) @ dhw

QUOTE: "Considering how effective gods are, can we do away with them? In one sense, the answer is quite clear: of course we can do without them. We always have. Our challenge in the days ahead is to create a more sustainable and equitable world where more have the luxury of not only admitting that, but also – and more importantly – coming to terms with how to go about living together responsibly and harmoniously with that admission."

DAVID's comment: An atheistic professor tells us we don't need God, who is a tool of societies. Whew!

dhw: If your God remains hidden and has no human characteristics, we might just as well “do away” with him.

In any case, there are now so many different versions of God/the gods, and so many different interpretations of what God/the gods want from us, that I’m afraid I agree with the professor’s conclusion above. But I would add very emphatically that if belief in God helps people to live together “responsibly and harmoniously” then I’m all for it, and retain my total respect for such believers and their beliefs.

I'm not surprised by your opinion.

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