The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism (Agnosticism)

by George Jelliss ⌂ @, Crewe, Friday, January 18, 2013, 17:04 (4087 days ago)

I noticed this news item a while ago and thought of posting it here, but have only just recovered from my winter hibernation-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/pope-intolerant-agnosticism-_n_2419806.html-I don't suppose those who post here consider your brand of agnosticism intolerant, but you might like to respond.

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GPJ

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Friday, January 18, 2013, 17:12 (4087 days ago) @ George Jelliss

GEORGE!!!-Good to 'see' you! How have you been?

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by George Jelliss ⌂ @, Crewe, Friday, January 18, 2013, 17:29 (4087 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Getting older like everyone, but busy as usual. I look back here occasionally, and stir the waters, but mostly I see everyone swimming round in the same old circles.

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GPJ

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by David Turell @, Friday, January 18, 2013, 18:45 (4087 days ago) @ George Jelliss

George: I noticed this news item a while ago and thought of posting it here, but have only just recovered from my winter hibernation
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> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/pope-intolerant-agnosticism-_n_2419806.html&am... 
> I don't suppose those who post here consider your brand of agnosticism intolerant, but you might like to respond.-Thanks for dropping by. The Pope has got to defend his rigid religion. That's his job.

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by dhw, Friday, January 18, 2013, 19:56 (4087 days ago) @ George Jelliss

GEORGE: I noticed this news item a while ago and thought of posting it here, but have only just recovered from my winter hibernation-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/06/pope-intolerant-agnosticism-_n_2419806.html-I don't suppose those who post here consider your brand of agnosticism intolerant, but you might like to respond.-Let me join in the chorus of welcome-backs, George! Hardly a time to come out of hibernation, though ... unless your part of the country is warmer than mine.-The Pope's attack on intolerant agnostics is hilarious. Now that Herr Ratzinger has somehow managed to put the ongoing child abuse scandal behind him, he can turn to the real villains.
 
QUOTE: "Today's regnant agnosticism has its own dogmas and is extremely intolerant regarding anything that would question it and the criteria it employs."-He's right, you know. The dogma of open-mindedness is a blot on the virgin papyrus of the one true faith, and intolerance of prejudice against women, against gays, against people who use contraceptives, against people who don't think the pope is infallible, certainly merits a dip in the lake of fire and brimstone. And he hasn't even started yet on atheists ... or perhaps he doesn't believe in them.

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by Balance_Maintained @, U.S.A., Friday, January 18, 2013, 21:32 (4087 days ago) @ dhw

DHW: He's right, you know. The dogma of open-mindedness is a blot on the virgin papyrus of the one true faith, and intolerance of prejudice against women, against gays, against people who use contraceptives, against people who don't think the pope is infallible, certainly merits a dip in the lake of fire and brimstone. And he hasn't even started yet on atheists ... or perhaps he doesn't believe in them.-That is because he does not follow the tenets of his own faith.(BTW, I hold no traffic with the Pope, and disagree with Catholicism on a great number of things.)-Deuteronomy 4:2 "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it"(also Deuteronomy 12:32)-1Cor 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?-In other words, he needs to keep his nose where it belongs.

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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by George Jelliss ⌂ @, Crewe, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 15:47 (4082 days ago) @ dhw

QUOTE: "Today's regnant agnosticism has its own dogmas and is extremely intolerant regarding anything that would question it and the criteria it employs."
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> He's right, you know. The dogma of open-mindedness is a blot on the virgin papyrus of the one true faith, and intolerance of prejudice against women, against gays, against people who use contraceptives, against people who don't think the pope is infallible, certainly merits a dip in the lake of fire and brimstone. And he hasn't even started yet on atheists ... or perhaps he doesn't believe in them.-Here's at least one catholic priest who is open-minded-http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/world/europe/priest-is-planning-to-defy-vaticans-orders-to-stay-quiet.html?_r=2&-But of course he can't be allowed to express his views!

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GPJ

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by dhw, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:14 (4082 days ago) @ George Jelliss

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, that for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew xix, 24)-Try telling the pope. An article in yesterday's Guardian reveals that the Vatican owns property in some of London's most expensive districts, not to mention blocks of flats in Paris and Switzerland. Read on:-"Behind a disguised offshore company structure, the church's international portfolio has been built up over the years, using cash originally handed over by Mussolini in return for papal recognition of the Italian fascist regime in 1929. The surprising aspect for some will be the lengths to which the Vatican has gone to preserve secrecy about the Mussolini millions."
 
The "nest-egg" is now worth over £500 m, and as recently as 2006 the Vatican spent £15 m buying 30 St James's Square. The last paragraph of this very detailed investigation reads:-"The Guardian asked the Vatican's representative in London, the papal nuncio, archbishop Antonio Mennini, why the papacy continued with such secrecy over the identity of its property investments in London. We also asked what the pope spent the income on. True to its tradition of silence on the subject, the Roman Catholic church's spokesman said that the nuncio had no comment."-In my own lifetime, from its complicity in the Holocaust through to its cover-up of horrendous and persistent child abuse ... a cover-up in which Herr Ratzinger is believed to have played a role himself ... the Catholic Church has proved time and again that organized religion remains as corrupt as any other human institution. What distinguishes it from the rest, however, is its holy hypocrisy. And yet millions turn out to cheer the pope as he parades himself in his fancy clothes, and when he dies, millions will wait to hear who is the next infallible spokesman for the Christian god. If that god exists, he must be squirming.-******-Just read the piece about Father Flannery. Thanks for this, George. It makes you wonder why Father Flannery bothers with the Catholic church at all. And the pope warns against the dangers of intolerant agnosticism!

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:35 (4082 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, that for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matthew xix, 24)-My background in a Free Will Baptist College, Bates, exposed me to DD's with good theologic training. The sentence in Matthew has a completely different meaning if one letter is changed in the word 'camel'. It becomes thread! Our professor thought 'camel' is a mistake! Without a printing press and and spell check, who knows what was copied and improperly transmitted. The Hebrew scribes for the Dead Sea scroll of Isaiah were 99.8% accurate judging by current copies, or were folks subsequest to the Essenes that accurate? We don't know the answer, which is why there are still scholars of the OT researching and arguing with each other. Tony, take note.

The Pope on Intolerant Agnosticism

by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:24 (4082 days ago) @ George Jelliss


> Here's at least one catholic priest who is open-minded
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/world/europe/priest-is-planning-to-defy-vaticans-orde... 
> But of course he can't be allowed to express his views!-At least he hasn't abused children

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