Agrippan Skepticism (Humans)

by David Turell , Wednesday, November 09, 2011, 17:58 (4562 days ago) @ dhw

MATT: Take David’s example of the woman who had the NDE where she floated outside of her body and discovered a shoe. What’s really so remarkable about this situation? If it had been seen inside of a dream instead on in a state of near death, the immediate weight of the story’s power seems (at least to me) to diminish.

The shoe was on the roof. How did she know? Even if she dreamt it, why should the unconscious mind perceive material realities to which the material body has no access? How do NDE-ers learn that someone else has just died? There are countless cases in which NDE-ers, OBE-ers, people asleep, people awake have been given information to which they had no normal access. By all means dismiss some as frauds or illusions. Just concentrate on those that have been corroborated by witnesses or events. Explain them.

I'll dip my toe: the exact position and condition of the tennis shoe was corroborated. To equate this story and others of the same positive proof with dreaming is extremely inconsistent. The skepticism belongs only in the area of skepticism of explanations of the phenomenon, which is widely accepted as actually happening.