Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, August 22, 2021, 15:24 (984 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I don't dodge like you do. Your repeated mantra objection above is completely illogical, and is totally based on your very humanized God as the only one you can accept. God created the appearance of common descent by making/designing each new stage from the previous.

dhw: How does my very humanized God or your God’s design of every new stage of every life form that ever existed explain why, if his one and only goal was to design humans and their food, he designed every stage of every life form that had no connection with humans and their food? Please stop dodging. I would ask you to explain the logic, but you have already admitted repeatedly that you can’t – though then you go on to tell me that the theory is perfectly logical.

Perfectly logical if you accept God has the right to create everything by any method He wishes, and you have accepted that premise. Just accept that God creates by evolving, as I have shown, the universe from the BB, the Earth from its appearance, life from its origin. All reflected in known history. It is then perfectly logical to accept that God wanted us to appear and did it starting with bacteria. Your objection is an entirely human objection, which fully implies if He wanted something why not directly do it? I've constantly made this same point over the years of our discussion. From your humanized God viewpoint, you are blind to the obvious.

DAVID: God has goals in that He knows what He wishes to produce.

dhw: You say he only has one goal. But of course he knows what he wishes to produce. And according to you, he spends 3.X billion years producing what he does not wish to produce.

You same God-blind humanizing reasoning.

DAVID: We are forced to make Him seem human because of the verbiage we are forced to employ in discussing Him. We in no sense ever try to humanize Him as you do.

dhw: Your usual non-argument against the logic of my alternative theories. At various times you have him interested in and enjoying his creations, and you insist that he is all good, wants to be in total control, is all-knowing (and therefore never learns or experiments), and you try desperately to avoid the fact that you have stated categorically that he probably has thought patterns and emotions similar to ours, and we mimic him in many ways. And in any case, neither your humanizing nor mine can explain why your all-powerful God would have fulfilled his one and only goal (creating humans plus food) by spending 3.X billion years not fulfilling his one and only goal (specially designing life forms and foods that had no connection with humans). Don't you ever get tired of dodging?

Your same totally human complaint about my view of God, which can never be like your view of a human-level-reasoning God. When will you realize God doesn't reason as you do? I don't dodge your unacceptable illogical thoughts about God in the way you attempt to imply. I wish you could see your God as I see Him, but you resent my previous descriptions of Him, although I view them as an honest set of conclusions based on the ways you have Him act.