An ideal ultimate truth? (Origins)

by dhw, Wednesday, May 05, 2010, 15:16 (5099 days ago)

BBella (Under "The Big Bang"): If intelligence was before the BB [...] possibly that intelligence was (and remains) something akin to the biblical word "spirit". This intelligence was without form or matter, similar to what you, dhw, would like to return to in your ultimate reality wish after death [...] Why create physical matter? Why not? Isn't matter just energy vibrating faster (showing my ignorance here)? That wouldn't be creating something from nothing, it would be spirit (non-matter) inhabiting matter possibly in an evolutionary way [...] Possibly that's all we are...spirit intelligence having an experience chained within matter.-Sorry to have truncated your post in this way, but I've picked on what seem to me the salient points, because what you're describing is indeed the ideal I was trying to convey, with the proviso that we retain our individual identity, plus your own added wish that this should be by choice. We're confronted here with a stark alternative: either matter gives rise to intelligence, or intelligence gives rise to matter. You appear to favour the latter, and so perhaps at this point we can go back to that dialogue which you initiated earlier (under Computer "reads" memories, 26 March at 06.52), when you asked what the rest of us would regard as the best possible Ultimate Truth. I don't know if others would view the above version as ideal, but (a) it would be interesting to find out, and (b) perhaps we should consider what evidence there is ... if any ... to support it. -Just in case this challenge leads to further discussion, I'm taking it off the Big Bang thread.