Evolution and humans: all over Africa (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 14:51 (13 days ago) @ dhw


DAVID: Once again, God uses the process of evolution. We don't, since we don't know how life began, we don't know if God created life all at once or in several stages as the OOL theorists try to tell us.

dhw: You also wrote “I don’t know if God can directly create.” And yet you believe he can create a whole universe, and preprogramme or dabble all the innovations that lead to new species, plus all the different lifestyles and natural wonders. Is this “totally reasonable”?

My point is that within biological creation, I don't know if he can instantly produce a new organism in toto or He requires evolution. That view is reaonable.

DAVID: I view God as much more serious than you do. My view of his personality is not yours which is always trying to humanize Him.


So you are not humanizing him when you tell us that he is too serious to want to create a spectacle, and he wants us to think of him. Any non-human theories as to why he wants us to think of him?

dhw: The issue is whether your approach and my approach to what he produced (if he exists) result in a coherent hypothesis. You admit that yours is not logical (because it raises questions you can’t answer) and that mine is, because it answers those questions.

DAVID: Yours fits the history we observe, which is not proof of anything. I start with God's purpose. You don't. Do you see purpose and try to explain God from that position?

dhw: Nothing can be proven. Clearly you do indeed start with what you insist is God’s purpose (the production of Homo sapiens’ brain). Then you try to mould what we observe so that it will fit that purpose, and by your own admission it doesn’t.

Neat trick. Your interpretation of my thoughts: "by your own admission it doesn’t" is your interpretation, not mine. I've explained everything satisfactorily for me, if not for you.

I start with the world we observe, and try to extrapolate purpose from that. And you admit that the purpose I extrapolate fits the history.


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