Convoluted human evolution: a branch is missing (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Thursday, August 10, 2017, 18:29 (126 days ago) @ dhw

Dhw: Guideline: your God says to the pre-whale: “Go live in the water and redesign thyself accordingly.”
Invention: God allows the pre-whale to engineer (“invent”) its own changes so that it can live more comfortably in the water. Frankly, I don’t see any reason whatsoever why the pre-whale shouldn’t have taken its own decision to go live in the water, especially if environmental conditions made the water a more attractive place to live in, but the important thing here is your acknowledgement that the cell communities of which the organism is made are capable of changing their own structure, or redesigning themselves. That is the whole point of my “intelligent cell” hypothesis: that the cell communities have the ability (possibly God-given, or in your terms "allowed") to make the changes, as opposed to being preprogrammed or dabbled by your God before they even enter the water.

DAVID: Your definition of guidelines is not mine. They are not an order to go do something. They are plans to follow in redevelopment as in my house-building analogy.

dhw: You wrote that God allowed “invention under guidelines”. I am only trying to find out how you distinguish between guidelines (provided by God) and invention (by the organisms). If you are now saying that God drew up all the plans, what exactly did the pre-whales invent? Or, to use your building analogy, are you now defining invention as automatically carrying out instructions?

You want exactitude and I don't have it. God does not let me in on his methods. I start with the premise that God is in control and uses an evolutionary method. Advances in form follow plans or guidelines. Perhaps it is better to leave out the word invention and say the advancing animal form is initiated on a timetable. Since evolution requires so much time it is possible the organisms play a role in when to initiate.


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