Purpose and design (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 09:30 (219 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I agree that one way of interpreting God is that He is an inveterate inventor like Edison and just enjoys creating amazing creatures with wild lifestyles for His own enjoyment. We could also view that approach as a frivolous waste of effort and energy without real goals or purpose. We differ in our interpretations. I specifically see purpose in God's actions. Your view of Him is amorphous.
dhw: Firstly, your God without any attributes other than consciousness seems to me as amorphous as it can possibly be.
DAVID: I think God is simply consciousness/mind, having a definite form of energy in the quantum realm.

“Simply consciousness/mind” seems to me to be more amorphous than a God who has a reason for creating life (including humans), and whose reason may be enjoyment.

dhw: Secondly, the ONLY “real” purpose you see in God’s actions is the production of humans, and yet you refuse even to consider what might be his purpose in producing humans! The very idea that enjoyment is a “frivolous waste of effort and energy” is quite astonishing. Having met you, I can testify to the joie de vivre you bring into your personal life and that of others, and I do not for one minute believe that you dismiss this joy as a waste of your effort and energy. Life itself is one purpose, and enjoyment of life is another purpose, so why should you assume that your God is pleased with his creations but did not create them because he wanted to be pleased by them, i.e. to enjoy them?
DAVID: I think God is pleased with His creations, as I've stated elsewhere. At my level of humanity I fully enjoy all the aspects of life as you describe. God is not at my level and I see his purpose at work. but I'm certain He is not pleased at humans warring, etc.

What purpose do you “see at work”? The only purpose you have acknowledged is the production of humans. Even in this post, you say he is “simply consciousness/mind” and yet now you are humanizing him to the extent that you are sure he is pleased by some things and not pleased by others. Hallelujah! Maybe you will even come round to the idea that if he is pleased/not pleased, his purpose in creating life (including humans) might actually have been to be pleased, which I would regard as synonymous with enjoyment.


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