God and evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Saturday, April 01, 2017, 15:00 (110 days ago) @ dhw


DAVID: Your thought: "he did not have a blueprint for humans in his mind, but experimented in order to find the right formula for a being with enhanced consciousness" again supports your humanized view of God. He is not limited in that way. And remember what we think of as the possibility of limits because of the delay, may not be a delay in God's mind. I repeat: God evolved the universe, evolved the Earth, and evolved organisms. The process of evolution may create the impression of delay and limits. I know limits are my suggestion in either/or, but don't forget my thought: “...any power that can produce a fine-tuned universe can then see to the creation of humans without difficulty.” If God can design a bird that can make a complex hanging nest He can make humans without experimentation!

dhw: I can hardly forget your “thought”, and I keep reminding you about it, because it leads to all the obfuscations apparent in your response. If God is unlimited, he can design whatever he wants to design. But you keep giving us an either/or: 1) he ‘delayed’ creating his sole goal because he was limited, or 2) there was no ‘delay’, because he wanted to do it that way, though we don’t know why. I have suggested that his hypothetical limitation was not knowing how to create a being like himself, which meant he had to experiment. You have rejected that limitation. If you reject the hypothesis of limitation, you no longer have an either/or. I have therefore asked you what other limitations you have in mind. Please answer, remembering of course that “...any power that can produce a fine-tuned universe can then see to the creation of humans without difficulty.”

The limits can be limits within an evolutionary process that God does not wish to change. God produces results by evolutionary processes. And either/or also refers to delays as humans see them or appearance of delay to us when one doesn't exist in God's mind.


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