Holographic Universe: The old and new (General)

by dhw, Saturday, September 10, 2016, 13:26 (438 days ago) @ BBella

dhw: However, although Sheldrake talks of creativity, I still don't understand how this fits in with morphogenetic fields, which as I said before only seem to relate to established forms rather than to "genesis".

I shan't reproduce David's post or BBella's replies, because it appears that my response to David corresponds to BBella's own interpretation of Sheldrake's ideas. However, my final comment and BBella's question may require further discussion.

dhw (to David:) Thank you for elaborating on my own query relating to “genesis”. How organisms obtained the ability remains an open question, to which one answer might be your God. As for the rest of your comment, bearing in mind our shared belief in common descent, I suggest that perhaps the intelligence of cells/cell communities (as advocated by Shapiro) is the source of organisms' creative capacity, and that this creative capacity is what continuously changes the morphic fields (if we accept Sheldrake's hypothesis). In other words, the morphic fields only provide a context within which the creative organisms innovate, thereby in turn changing the morphic fields.

BBELLA: Exactly!
Dhw: And I would propose that the term “morphogenetic” be abandoned!
BBELLA: Why

Because “genesis” suggests that the fields themselves generate new forms, whereas the impression I got was that they contain existing forms. That is why I have suggested (as Sheldrake also argues) that it is the creativity of the organisms themselves that can change forms. Then these changes are fed back into the morphic field. To use the “in” word, the morphic fields contain existing “information” (you refer to memory in your post to David), while creative organisms add new information to those fields. “Morphic” would therefore seem to me far more appropriate.

I have now watched the video. Brilliant! David has quoted an article under "Far out cosmology”, which concludes: “In the words of the rock band Buffalo Springfield, ‘There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear...'” This applies just as much to ourselves as to the cosmos. Shakespeare's Hamlet says much the same thing, after seeing the ghost of his father:
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

Sheldrake is modestly cautious - he's not insisting that he is right. He just wants the challenge to materialism to be discussed openly. Admirable. And it all makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you again, BBella.

I'll follow up on your latest post next time.


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