More about how evolution works: look at the video (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Monday, October 26, 2015, 13:33 (3076 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: The context for this remark was the intelligence of cells, which you reject, opting instead for what you call “intelligent information”. This nebulous term is used to cover the claim that every single innovation, complex lifestyle and natural wonder was preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago or is the result of God's direct intervention - a theory even you admit is not accepted by most of your fellow ID-ers. That is why I regard the term as an obfuscation, and it has nothing to do with the argument for DNA being created by an intelligence.-If "DNA is created by intelligence' then it contains intelligent information, that is the contention we agree in the argument. And fu
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> dhw: I would suggest that his examples denote the subjective importance we attach to elements of our life in this universe. As he says elsewhere, “If the minds don't exist, then neither does meaning”. So how does that lead to “our universe must have meaning”? Sorry if this sounds ungracious. 
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> DAVID: Life appears to be a miracle. Why not imply meaning to the universe as part of the overall considerations in deciding if theism is reasonable?
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> I was only pointing out the illogicality of Lightman's statement. As far as your own is concerned, I would reverse the thought: only if I decided theism was reasonable would I be able to attribute (not sure about "imply") meaning to the universe - but that would be objective meaning. I agree with Lightman that all of us have our own subjective meanings, if such things as light on the water or the birth of a child can be called “meaning”. In fact, I wouldn't use that word in such a context, as it has too many metaphysical connotations. “Subjective values” might be a better option.


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