More about how evolution works: look at the video (Evolution)

by BBella , Monday, October 26, 2015, 05:42 (3098 days ago) @ dhw
edited by BBella, Monday, October 26, 2015, 05:48

The only intelligence we actually know of is our own,-I can&apos;t agree with that statement. To me, a bacteria, seed or cell, etc, all appears to interact intelligently (knows what to do) within it&apos;s place and surroundings. For the most part, be what it IS.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> BBELLA: It would seem to me that intelligence would need to have always been eternal just as energy and information has always been eternal, or nothing would have ever formed into what appears as intelligent order we see around us. Of course science believes intelligence has evolved - but that&apos;s intelligent matter using the information it has to reach this intelligent(?) conclusion.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> Again I don&apos;t know what you mean by eternal &#147;information&#148;. Information about what? About energy and matter transmuting themselves?-Information carried within energy. For example, scientist has data on most every known element. The only way a substance is known is its elemental make up. This recorded data is the information within the substance. ->I agree that there is order on our planet and in its relationship to other elements of our solar system, but that certainly doesn&apos;t mean there has been &#147;intelligent order&#148; throughout eternity, or in the approx. 100,000,000,000 solar systems like ours in each of the approx. 100,000,000,000 galaxies (don&apos;t worry, I haven&apos;t done the counting or the guessing!), which may have replaced and may be replaced by zillions more. Maybe they just ARE. -All that IS just IS, but all that IS is also constantly transforming matter into forms of order. If not, all that IS would just be a great space with no forms, only floating specks of matter going nowhere doing nothing . ->Mindless energy mindlessly transmuting itself into mindless matter. Order in a few grains of sand does not make for order in a thousand million miles of beach.-First off, it&apos;s a beach. That&apos;s intelligent order. It&apos;s not floating specks of matter going nowhere being nothing. If energy is transforming into something - anything, it&apos;s not truly without intelligent order. What we see here on earth is intelligent order; every thing is something. Even out in space, just as the Rover has recently found on Mars, there is something out there, open systems of some form and zillions of miles of space. It&apos;s not static space. Every thing is teaming with busy energy that vibrates information throughout the universe, all being what it IS. -> Dhw: As an alternative to this inexplicable hypothesis of David&apos;s, I have suggested that eternal energy has eternally transmuted itself into matter, and intelligence has inexplicably evolved through matter. &#13;&#10;> BBELLA: Or, could it be, intelligence has always (eternally) used information within energy to transform matter into what IS?&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> Again, information about what? If we are thinking of life on planet Earth, the information has to be about matter - basically, how inanimate matter can be transformed into living matter. Perhaps how matter can be given life through energy? But this still doesn&apos;t give us a source of intelligence or any reason for believing that intelligence has been present for ever and ever.-It just seems to me if there has been something forever and ever, then there has also had to have been intelligence for ever and ever. If something IS, then it&apos;s some thing. Not no thing. Every thing is something. For me, that means every thing is in some intelligent form. &#13;&#10; &#13;&#10;> Dhw: This means that although energy is everywhere, intelligence is indeed divided up precisely as you describe: in zillions of entities. This would also fit in with Sheldrake (species consciousness is not the same as universal consciousness), but it dispenses with the idea of a single intelligence designing and manipulating the universe and everything in it.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> BBELLA: Or, possibly, as energy transforms (creates) it vibrates information throughout all that IS. And on SOME LEVEL (<--the operative words) all creation (intelligently?) detects or becomes aware of what is newly being created through vibration. This &quot;sense&quot; within all that IS that is doing the detecting of this vibration could be considered a universally conscious intelligence? Or, what some might call God.&#13;&#10;> &#13;&#10;> This ties in with the most universal concept of panpsychism, and &#148;SOME LEVEL&#148; is indeed the operative expression. But although it may well be that cause and effect reverberate throughout the universe, if I throw a stone into the water, can I really assume that the stone and the ripples are conscious at ANY level of what they are doing? -No, I don&apos;t believe the stone and the water are conscious or aware of being what they are and what they are doing like humans are. But both are intelligent forms, being what they are - water and stone. They are not just dust floating in nothingness being nothing. So both are energetic matter, teaming with intelligent information of what they ARE, and connected to everything else at it&apos;s most basic energetic level. So at that level they ARE, they create vibration in every movement that reverberates throughout the universe, just as all things do.-Hope this makes some sense. It&apos;s late and I didn&apos;t have time to reread and edit before sending.