Evolution v Creationism: guided evolution? dhw? (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, April 26, 2015, 21:03 (3286 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Perhaps your problem is that you believe the production of humans to be the primary fact.-No, I view that as your problem. I don't think you see how stupendous that result is.-> dhw: You admit that other organisms have degrees of consciousness, and you accept that humans have descended from other organisms,...-Organisms, in my view can only have consciousness if they have a demonstrable brain. -> dhw: The truly incredible circumstance in my view is the origin of mechanisms for life, reproduction and evolution. These would seem to require some sort of consciousness, and whatever that form may be, it must be responsible for all the advances, including the weaverbird's special nest, the spider's special silk, the whale's special blowhole, and the human brain with its special self-awareness.-Can you tell me about 'some sort of consciousness'? We agree here there must be one at work. Was it always present? If not, how did it develop and learn to make sense and plan all of natures wonders?-> dhw: Your anthropocentric interpretation does not fit in with all the other "specials", and so on Thursday you wrote: "You are still looking for rational explanations for everything. I don't." And on Saturday you wrote: "I try to work rationally from that incredulous circumstance." Why are we only allowed to be rational if we adhere to your idea of "the primary fact"?-Your editorial 'we' is not appropriate. I'm describing my thinking. You are very capable of thinking for yourself.-We are working in this thread on God and evolution. I need to remind you that my book describes a number of reasons to gain a belief in God. Remember I look at a series of evidentiary proofs that provide a basis for belief in God 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. The arrival of humans is a major point, but not the only one.