Panpsychism Makes a Comeback (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, January 28, 2015, 00:17 (3366 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: And if the human brain is a large jump, are you saying the IM was able autonomously to develop, say, worm brains to bird brains to chimpanzee brains, but then God had to step in to change the chimp brain to the human brain?-No, I'm not saying that at all. Those brain jumps are too large for IM work.-> dhw:You claim to believe that evolution happened, so how else could it have happened, if not through an accumulation of innovations and variations within cell communities? -Of course cell communities were modified if evolution happened as it appears. The issue is how and none of us know or sure. Your idea of cogitating cells is beyond my reasoning to imagine. The informational background for planning is too large. Information cannot be invented unless mental activity is at work. It is the same problem as how did life get started unless supplied with planning information?-
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> dhw: Why “an” intellect? Why not the billions of intellects or intelligences contained within the billions of organisms that extend from bacteria to humans? Please don't revert to first cause, because this discussion concerns Chapter 2 - how evolution might work - and allows for the possibility that your God started it all off.-Agreed. Chapter 2: And where did all those intellects/brains come from? In evolution there has to be a first intellect/brain for the rest to evolve from. Here again my point is that the bacteria work from intelligent information is their genomes. They do not have the mental capacity to be inventive. 
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> DAVID: I do accept the possibility of an IM as long as it is viewed as semiautonomous. I'm as stubborn as you are.
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> dhw: Ah, how true! But I am stubborn in my appeal for open-mindedness, whereas you are stubborn in your defence of your opinions, regardless of the dilemmas they cause you!-You view them as dilemmas because you won't accept my reasoning. My only true dilemma is not problem, just an open question.