DILEMMAS: A Response to DHW (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, November 25, 2014, 14:38 (3439 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I don't think the IM is in any way autonomous. I never have. That we have a 'partial glimmer' is true for current knowledge, but for my reasoning, semi-autonomy is all I can predict, based on the comments above.-Dhw: Not "in any way autonomous" but maybe "semi-autonomous" (whatever that means) is another example of linguistic blurring. .... and you dismiss the idea that he could design an inventive mechanism with which migrating and non-migrating butterflies and birds might have worked out their own lifestyle. -DAVID: [...] I'll keep repeating a complex migration requires advanced planning. It requires a conscious mind to work it out. An IM works on established patterns with some modification. Tell me how the first Arctic Tern decided to winter in Hawaii. How did he/she even knew that Hawaii existed? If I could explain this naturally I would. I know you can't-You are now implying that 3.7 billion years ago your God implanted the very first cells with all the innovations to turn bacteria into Arctic terns (as well as millions of other organisms), plus a route map from the Arctic to Hawaii. Your hypothesis is becoming more and more fantastic. It is not beyond the bounds of credibility that for whatever reason the first tern got fed up with its environment and went off exploring (just as humans must have done).
 
dhw: You are right. The fact that organisms need food is obvious. I'm not sure why you felt the need to state the obvious.
DAVID: Because the bushiness of life provides a constant source of energy throughout all sorts of environmental changes. Wagner points out that the lowly E. coli has about 40 different mechanisms to metabolize foods so as to handle all sorts of problems and changes-So 3.7 billion years ago your God designed 40 different mechanisms to enable the E. coli to enjoy life in the guts of animals that would appear a few billion years later, and this would provide a constant source of energy, much to the delight of the humans for whose benefit he created the E. coli in the first place. I wonder what Wagner (and victims of E. coli) will have to say about that hypothesis.