Cell Memories (Identity)

by David Turell , Monday, August 04, 2014, 16:10 (3551 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:You have quite rightly emphasized the enormous complexity of our organs. We know that this requires communication and cooperation between cells and cell communities, but you argue that they are not intelligent enough to invent or cooperate to the degree required. ..... here is the choice:
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> 1) Your God made plans for the liver and a billion other innovations to be passed down from the first organisms to their zillions of descendants. 
> 2) Your God fiddled around with a few unlivered organisms till he'd delivered the livers, and ditto for the billions of other innovations. 
> 3) Livers and the billions of other innovations accidentally fashioned themselves through random mutations (rejected by both of us).
> 4) Cell communities combined their intelligence (which may have been invented by your God) to design the liver and the billions of other innovations, as and when environmental change demanded or allowed them.
> 5) ??? (you tell me).-None of the above, because simply, I don't know. I only know that groups of cells practice teamwork. In sports among humans teams need a coach to coordinate their individual efforts. -Once again, the humam living body, as the current pinnacle of evolution, is an extremely complex coordinated group of individually complex organs, acting in exquisite harmony with each other, controlled by chemical messages, nervous messages, hormonal messages, and tightly controlled under a variety of feedback loops. That required coordination is so critical, a minor deviation by one organ can often be fatal. These organs are so complex we bright human engineeers cannot duplicate them but must use stumbling substitutes. Even confirmed atheists (Dawkins) admit is looks designed. I cannot accept that it happened by chance, nor can you.-Your very strained alternative, by severely extrapolating the theories of Shapiro and others, is that the cells did it by themselves. I'll ask you, did the cell mechanisms, Shapiro calls genetic engineering, appear by chance or did the cells invent those mechanisms themselves? It all still comes down to chance or design. Sorry no third way.