Light and Matter (Origins)

by David Turell , Friday, May 23, 2014, 19:03 (3624 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I agree that we can't know what existed before, but if you claim it was "pure energy" and not matter, you will have to drop the claim that energy and matter are "interchangeable".-Ask Hiroshima about interchangeable. All matter is energy in a more solid form. The energy can be released. I don't see your problem. Pure energy is plasma. We have discussed this.
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> dhw: And since the only intelligence we know is that which appears to "emerge" from matter, why claim that there is a different form of immaterial intelligence that consists solely of energy, even though matter and energy are interchangeable?-We don't know exactly what emerges but we do experience it. I simply propose that the universal consciousness is desembodied energy.-> 
> dhw: Which consciousness are you referring to here ... ours, or your god's? I thought you believed our consciousness was a phenomenon that emerges from interaction between the physical components of the brain, i.e. from the energy produced by matter. Your assumption of disembodied consciousness made up entirely of energy is the reason why I have questioned whether you can say energy and matter are interchangeable. You now seem to be saying they are not interchangeable.-No I am not. We do not understand consciousness or how much quantum mechanics plays a role. Please keep in mind E=mc^2, and we don't know if that applies to consciousness. Interchangeability is simply the recognition that matter is simply made up from bound up energy.-> 
> dhw: Please remember that I'm trying to understand the implications of the statement that energy and matter are interchangeable ... a statement that you have previously explained and defended. Do you still think it's true?-Of course. But they don't change readily as the prolonged research before the atom bomb shows.