Why conversational equations and emergence (General)

by David Turell , Sunday, March 30, 2014, 21:46 (3673 days ago) @ romansh

David The word unexpected in important. If it is designed to be expected, it is not emergent.
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> Romansh: Planes are designed to fly so flying planes and driveable cars are not emergent phenomena?-Not as I view it. My meaning of emergent is that of an unexpected result from that which has been designed or developed.
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> Romansh: So when we mix two organic compounds say a hydroxy oxime and an organic phosphoric acid to together with a copper sulphate solution, depending on my state of knowledge of such systems the resulting extraction will be emergent (with a little knowledge) or not (knowledgeable of how lone pair electrons on the oxime can form dative bonds with copper).-If we are in a state of knowledge that does not let us know in advance how the reaction proceeds, then when the compound emerges, it is emergent, as you describe. This is not emergent in the sense I am using. I am looking at those emergent properties which are unexplained and suprising, and may never be explained. As in how does non-material conscious thought arise from a material brain?