Why conversational equations and emergence (General)

by David Turell , Sunday, March 30, 2014, 20:18 (3677 days ago) @ romansh


> > > Romansh: I ask, because by the definition you used ... of a material construction but itself is immaterial, to my understanding a pattern would fit the definition.
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> > That appears to be correct.
> But for me this seems to be at least partially in conflict with when you replied to Tony.-The word unexpected in important. If it is designed to be expected, it is not emergent.
 
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> Romansh: An unexpected functionality is based on a faulty model. If we had been discussing unexpected antagonistic effects rather than synergic effects then we would not be having this discussion of emergence at all.-That is exactly where we are at cross purposes. If we have a synergistic response then it is emergent, if unforeseen and undesigned from the material at hand, especially if we can find no reason for the appearance of the emergent function.