Why conversational equations and emergence (General)

by romansh , Sunday, March 30, 2014, 17:41 (3678 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by unknown, Sunday, March 30, 2014, 17:55

David: My definition: An emergent propery is something that appears from a material construction that is not itself material. Life and consciousness are two such examples. 
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> > Romansh: So is a pattern an emergent property?
> > It appears from a material construction but itself is not material?
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> I'm just using life and consciousness as examples. The definiion of life has been debated for year. It is a quality of existence created by very complex biochemistry, but each molecule is not alive. Same with neurobiology. Eletrochemical energy and neurons are not conscious, but by the complexity of the brain's network of axons and synapses, we experience consciousness. Neither are material. We experience being alive and conscious. I am more of a dualist.-I know you are a dualist ... panentheism is a dualistic concept.-But again just stepping away from life and consciousness for a moment; is a pattern by definition an emergent phenomenon?-I ask, because by the definition you used ... of a material construction but itself is immaterial, to my understanding a pattern would fit the definition.