James Le Fanu: Why Us? (The limitations of science)

by David Turell , Sunday, May 31, 2009, 23:08 (5437 days ago) @ BBella

There are only a few possibilites: either the universe is eternal with Big Bangs and Big Crunches, and that gets rid of a deity in my opinion; 
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> Why would an eternal universe, with big bangs and crunches get rid of the idea of a deity for you? - If there is an automatic series on Big Bangs and Crunches, there is no need for a deity to intervene and run everything. Deities do things, not just sit and watch. - > >If our universe arrived from a total void, there is a deity. 
 
> I don't know about a deity, but I do believe in the higher power within all that IS. - I agree there is a greater intelligent power within and without everything. 
 
> This deity that you believe may have created the universe also would've had to create the void before the big bang, correct? But,if this deity was before the void, then doesn't that really mean there was no void before the big bang? Void, as in, no thing? - Void as in no thing, NOTHING, except a clump of quantum energy, the universal intelligence. If there is a false void, a la' Vic Stenger (and we cannot know that, as we cannot leave our universe to see what is going on outside) then he could be correct and our universe is simply a quantum perturbation, no deity needed. The reason I think he is wrong is, if our expanding space-time is pushing into a false vacuum, there should be quantum reactions beyond the edge of our event horizon with that false vacuum, and with improving instrumentation in satellites we perhaps should have seen something by now stirring out there. We'll find out in the next few years for sure. - There are just a few possibilities: A real vacuum outside this universe; a false vacuum from which we came; multiverses, which cannot be proven and are based on unproven string theory. This last one solves the Anthropic Principal problem, but that Principal is circular reasoning I think and worthless. It is only used to invent a way around a deity.