God and Reality (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Wednesday, June 19, 2013, 17:57 (3957 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:You believe that the first cause is eternal, conscious energy. If the Big Bang theory is correct, one can ask what your first-cause conscious energy was up to during the ETERNITY that preceded the Big Bang.-If first cause conscious energy (FCEE) is eternal, and it must be, then it has created other universes in the past, for our current evidence is that FCCE makes universes, and more than likely human beings. This is the only scenario we know. -> dhw: Is the speculation that he might have created an infinite number of other universes so outrageous that you can't contemplate it? If you are prepared to contemplate it, then why shouldn't atheists also contemplate the possibility that eternal first-cause unconscious energy was active before the Big Bang, producing an infinite number of universes? Then the odds do indeed shorten. -Thank goodness you used the word speculation. 10^500 universes is a mathematical speculation based on unproved math excursions into the never never land of atheistic contortions to avoid our designer universe and its implications of a designer. The 10^500 argument works only if there is a smidgen of proof. Just where is that smidgen???
 
> dhw: I started this website because I was appalled by Dawkins' blinkered vision, and found that his opponents could offer nothing but equally blinkered visions. I wanted a more informed and rational debate on all the issues, and hoped to learn from that. I didn't just throw up my hands. Thanks to your good self and many others over the last five and a half years, I've certainly learned a lot. The fact that I have not suddenly been overcome by a glorious vision of the ultimate truth ... ... does not diminish the value of this experience, or stop me from considering and reconsidering all the options.-We who have enjoyed your website, thank you. Perhaps if I can get my new book (which you encouraged me to write) untracked soon, we all can see how 'blinkered' Dawkins really is.