Love me or else (Part One) (Where is it now?)

by David Turell , Friday, January 18, 2013, 15:55 (4109 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Tony: Yes, even in Judaism: "For on this day shall atonement be made for you... from all your sins" (Lev. 16:30). -You have to remember I know what interpretations I was taught. Your research has found material that is not used today, in my experience. Lev. 16:30 is in my Bible and yours is a true quote. It simply says we can be cleaned and have atonement. It doesn't prove your point.-> Tony: For a graver sin, punishable by death or extirpation, repentance and the Day of Atonement suspend the punishment and suffering completes the atonement (cf. Ps. 89:33). -Not in my Bible. Psalms 89:33 talks only of beating with a rod. It is a discussion of God's covenant with David. I don't know what you are quoting.-> Tony:If one has been guilty of profaning the Divine Name, however, penitence, the Day of Atonement, and suffering merely suspend punishment, and death procures the final atonement: "The Lord of hosts revealed Himself in my ears; surely this iniquity shall not be expiated by you till ye die" (Isa. 22:4; Yoma 86a).[/i]-To my eye your presentation here is way off the mark. Isaiah is lamenting a battle in the invasion of Judah. Your quote is 22:14 in my Bible. You and I are discussing individuals sins, not battling armies. -I do not have the erudition you have in studying commentaries. I don't know your references, but I do know the quote from Hillel: The whole Torah teaching is to treat others as you would treat yourself. This about 50 years before Jesus was born. -And I have a prejudice: I believe Torah, Mishna, and other commentaries override all others. I know what I was taught. -If you are using Christian scholar's versions of the OT, it is the opinion of some Jewish scholars that those interpretations are twisted to foretell the NT and add force to it. I don't have the scholarship to judge these comments which I have read. I'll stick to my Masoretic text and current Jewish teachings as I understand them.