Love me or else (Part Two) (Where is it now?)

by David Turell , Monday, December 24, 2012, 15:31 (4140 days ago) @ BBella


> bbella: Maybe there is not a distinction, but maybe there is. As for suppositions, I dispersed man made ideas of what a God should or shouldn't be along with religious beliefs a number of years ago (as much as possible). As to why God can or cannot have a personality, why should creation itself (what some call God) have to have a personality? -That is exactly my point. Religions have created a personality for God that they want him to have. They prefer that personality. It is all man made!
 -> bella: If there are beings that created us, and if they have been watching over us as our God/s, guiding us as children in some sense, and they too, being a much older race of beings than we, evolved, then who is to say they are speaking for creation (The All That Is)?-I firmly believe that no other beings have visited this Earth. I can find no scientifically proven evidence. It is science fiction fantasy. The nearest planets are so many light years away the visitors would either have to be in suspended animation during the trip or only subsequent generations born on board would get here. -
> bbella: Maybe creation has always been and always will be, and is made up of such a malleable fabric that evolution and What Is and has become, is a natural product of it.-I also firmly believe that something has always existed. What Aristotle and later Aquinas refer to as First Cause. I can't get beyond the logic that everyting has a cause.
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> bbella:With the possibility that creation may have always been, then it's unlikely we are the pinnacle of creation. Ancient archaeology, as well as very old indigenous tribes, and scriptures speak of others here before us, much further advanced than we are now. Those beings, who spoke to the ancients that books have been written about, were definitely more advanced than we are, you agree. -This is why I stick to the science. We are the first sentient beings on this planet.-
 
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> > Tony: Even the bible admits the existence of other gods. It merely names YHWH as the head cheese of Gods. 
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> bbedlla: As well he may be the head cheese of the gods. But that doesn't mean he is the creator of all things, or creation itself.-What Tony is discribing are the gods mentioned in the OT who are the gods of tribes other than the Hebrews. Actually monotheism antidated the Hebrews but they picked up the idea and ran with it, according to biblical scholars.-
> bbella:Organized or not, does not necessarily mean there is an organizer or creator of it. Creation, itself, may have always just been. Yes, we have been told there is a creator God, but is that creator God just a part of creation itself? There still remains that possibility. -That is how I envision God as being within all of this universe and also outside. That is why I am a panentheist and view God as a universal intelligence. At a quantum mechanics level, organized as a mind. Always existing.-I approach many of the stories in the OT Bible as true history. Tony and I have been discussing that. But many of the stories are allegories that make moral points. Humans wrote these stories. Scholars are convinced several different people wrote Genesis, as an example. These stories were told by word of mouth until languages became written centuries later. The NT has the same problem. The first Gospel was written 60 years after Jesus died. All word of mouth till then. -I strictly believe religions cause more confusion than light. They are necessary as Rabbi Sachs point out for establishing moral and ethical values beacuse we have to coooperate in groups. Sachs is wonderful at explaining the allegories as he did in his debate with Dawkins, which I have presented here.