Ch 16, A mad world (A mad world)

by David Turell , Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 17:49 (4146 days ago) @ hyjyljyj

David: Life was complex from the beginning. That is pre-planning....
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> Hy: This is a great point about complexity that is difficult for anyone with a scientific underpinning to discount, whether they agree that the complexity necessarily implies pre-planning or not. -The level of complexity that is unfolding, with the latest techniques to follow what individual molecules do, reveals an intricate dance that belies belief. Darwin's knowledge was simplistic, so he cannot be blamed for a theory that is sputtering.-
> DAvid: Such planning in ancient life requires a self-aware intelligence because it shows teleolgic planning. All I am saying is God knew what He was doing when He started life. Your approach is a chancy God, and makes no sense at all. Pre-planning is from the beginning so that evolution flows on its own after that. I doubt any tweaking was ever needed. Of course, I am assuming a perfect planner makes a perfect plan with a perfect result.
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> Hy: This is a good capsule summary of the underlying tenet of deistic evolution. It's especially attractive to deists because it removes the mythic "caring, personal, all-loving father" anthropomorphization, which so inflames the tissues in the logic, reason and common-sense areas of their brains.-My thinking exactly. In the past on this site I have said that I cannot know God's personality. He should not be anthropomorphized. This is where Dawkins pokes fun. I take him on at the science level and he doesn't have an answer. I am an panentheist, with a deist viewpoint. Based on science, God must have pre-existed this universe and contains the universe, thus being both in and outside of it.